SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:
Choosing not to get vaccinated is now further hurting the economy and quality of life for all.
Alcohol is more widely available again, since it's so 'healthy', and not all speed limits are the same worldwide, and some roads still don't have limits.
We're also improving some people's health with the vax, and smoking, driving, and the environment still cause plenty of problems and will continue to.
Vax at birth is to help the individual, which in turn can vastly help the whole for certain specific illnesses.
The only difference is instead of being offered a shot, like the flu, covid is basically being forced on everyone. Think of all the people who've died since the flu shot was available, and all that had to be done was force everyone worldwide to take it. Why hasn't that still happened? All we had to do was wait for covid to show up and it got rid of the flu and common cold anyway, until it decides to reappear apparently. Why don't we just offer optional covid shots and just wait for the next thing to come along and make covid disappear?
Everyone is always potentially endangering someone else. Thinking you can be in public and be risk free doesn't and won't ever exist on Earth as humans.
Have they figured out exactly how covid came to be? Is the vax pass really because some people won't get jabbed? It would also be the perfect transition method to a social credit card/pass. One that everyone has to abide by worldwide. That doesn't sound like, 'go do whatever you want over there' to me.
The brainiacs in Gov are the reason the economy is hurting and yes it's diminishing everyone's quality of life.
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Keep on stretching your arguments, however facts are not backing you up. See the post above, "The regions with the highest infection rates are also the ones with the lowest vaccination rates in Germany." and that's not just in Germany, and also applies to the hospitalization and death rates.
How much evidence do you need?
And btw "That's like saying a video gaming addiction has nothing to do with how fun the games are."
That's a true statement, although little instead of nothing. Video game addiction is dopamine addiction.
https://www.brainandlife.org/articles/how-do-video-games-affect-the-developing-brains-of-children/
Which comes from all the little rewards that game companies exploit so well in loot boxes etc. Which is why governments are now starting to regulate these things. Grinding in games is not fun game play, but it is addictive. The most fun games are those you play together with friends, the most addictive are those you grind on your own. Dangerously over eating has little to do with the taste of food.
When I see my kid get 'addicted' to one of those Roblox 'click' 'click' 'click' games to see numbers increase I always ask him, are you having fun. Then after a bit he acknowledges that, no it's actually not fun. He and his nephew actually have auto clickers installed to click for them and leave it running to see what the numbers have gotten up to after getting back from school. That's not fun, but they sure know how to get kids addicted.
Currently he's building in Minecraft again, left Roblox behind. The dopamine reward of creating things is at least something I can get behind. And he plays it moderately as all that planning and building actually takes effort and makes him take a break. The older one is addicted to Rust, playing with his school friends online. At least he's playing with his friends, and he admits solo, it's not a fun game. And easy to walk away from since the server resets every month, you lose everything anyway by design. But certainly something to keep an eye on.
In the latest fun developments, we're now going to send 11 million rapid test kits to schools to take home over the holidays for voluntary self testing. Unreliable tests with the idea that giving everyone 5 self test kits is going to even out the results... Imo, might as well burn that money. It would be more useful to work on better ventilation standards. (In my oldest's classroom it was a fan in a window, the fan broke down and now it's freezing outside...)
https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2021/11/18/ontario-giving-students-rapid-covid-19-tests-to-take-home-over-holiday-break.html
One story of the many
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/i-won-t-be-here-next-year-canadians-robbed-of-life-by-delayed-diagnoses-amid-pandemic-1.5671500
Austria breaking the way to vaccine mandates
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/facing-surge-austria-will-mandate-covid-19-shots-lock-down-1.5672903
Austria announced a new national lockdown and a plan to mandate vaccinations as coronavirus infections hit a record high Friday, forcing the government to walk back promises that such blanket shutdowns were a thing of the past.
Imposing a mandate would give Austria one of the world's most stringent vaccine requirements. Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said those who didn't comply would likely be fined but gave no other details.
The moves come as vaccinations in Austria have plateaued at one of the lowest rates in Western Europe and as hospitals in heavily hit states have warned that their intensive care units are reaching capacity.
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Keep on only selecting certain points, while seemingly not taking them seriously. Picking and choosing is part of the problem as I've said.
I was taking a family member to the hospital for cancer treatments during the first 6 months or so of the pandemic. The hospital had started focusing on covid patients then and only existing patients could remain. As time went on with the treatments, it was getting less and less busy and the nurses said the hospital wasn't that busy at all, yet the news said hospitals were overwhelmed. This was in Hamilton. My old man sold a piece of equipment to someone about that time who mentioned their daughter was a nurse in Toronto and their hospital was non stop jam packed. So why weren't certain hospitals allowed to focus far less on covid or not at all and only non covid? What about everyone else who suffered and died who weren't covid patients, who were supposed to receive their 'free' taxed healthcare? Thanks for paying into the system to save some others, but you can suffer or die now. Oh well...
Pushing to force the vax too far, like some others are all for, will lead to the same kind of outcome as those who couldn't get medical treatment due to the covid focus, and likely far worse. Wouldn't the point of forcing the vax be to save people? Just like those who couldn't get medical treatment who suffered or died because covid was so much more important, supposedly, the same kind type of outcome would happen if the vax is forced beyond a certain point. Select to save some, while knowingly allowing others to suffer and die who likely wouldn't need to. That's the type of thinking that allows everyone in a potential life and death situation to justify just about anything, and that's not a place anyone wants it to go. Nukes aren't used first, they're a last resort, and for good reason. People have forgotten what happens when you push the wrong entity too far.
How about Gibraltar? So highly vaxed, yet, still such a problem with cases. How can that possibly be? Cancel Xmas? Why not, since everyone is, so safe now?
Christmas Celebrations Cancelled in Most Vaccinated Area in the World as Cases Spike (newsweek.com)
Gibraltar proves that vaccination does not stop Covid - by Live Beyond Borders - LBB's Newsletter (substack.com)
Yet hurray Austria for forcing the vax where like other highly vaxed area's, it's still not going to solve the problem. What then? 3rd, 4th, 5th boosters? Maybe we'll have the small pox pandemic by then like Gates has mentioned? I mean he was right about the upcoming covid pandemic as well coincidentally, wasn't he?
