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Peh said:
Aeolus451 said:

I wasn't saying they were censoring their entire history, Sherlock. I only said that they shouldn't censor their history (as in any part of it) because it's history. Banning symbolism or the showing of something in a medium is a form of censorship regardless of the reasoning. I can't believe they banned it for that reason because it's so fucking stupid. Nazis are always portrayed as villians in games. A politician would have to be incredibly ignorant of video games to use that as an excuse. 

My post was fine. It was meant as a one time post as "I agree with lifting the ban because history should be preserved". That's it. If you want to argue over stupid shit, have at it with someone else. I don't care what you think of my post.

Again, because you obviously don't get it. The reason was NOT to forbid nazi symbols in video games in order to censor their own history. That assertion you've made is stupid and nonsensical. 

People on this thread including myself already explained it. Do something about your ignorance and educate yourself.

I'll explain this so any slow person can get it. It doesn't matter their reasoning, the end result was the censorship of a part of their history. Just to further clarify, I didn't say they banned it in order to hide or censor their history but that was the result of it. Now can you go fuck off with this stupid shit? In case you didn't get what I meant, fuck off with this stupid shit.

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Peh said:
COKTOE said:

Yes, so is the swastika and iron cross, but will it be allowed in games?

Yes, as long as it won't be used for the only purpose of glorifying nazism. 

So games like Wolfenstein will get a pass. Hopefully.

So Hitler is included in this as well? That's good news. Not a fan of censorship in general. No legit dev is going to make a game glorifying him. I wonder if it will also apply to, let's say, somewhat lighthearted fare? Like the original Wolfy. Where, while he is a villain, he's depicted in somewhat flippant manner. I guess what I'm saying is that I hope the changes are sweeping, as long as they adhere to the core principal values.

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Aeolus451 said:
Peh said:

Again, because you obviously don't get it. The reason was NOT to forbid nazi symbols in video games in order to censor their own history. That assertion you've made is stupid and nonsensical. 

People on this thread including myself already explained it. Do something about your ignorance and educate yourself.

I'll explain this so any slow person can get it. It doesn't matter their reasoning, the end result was the censorship of a part of their history. Just to further clarify, I didn't say they banned it in order to hide or censor their history but that was the result of it. Now can you go fuck off with this stupid shit? In case you didn't get what I meant, fuck off with this stupid shit.

Nope, try again. This time with more vulgar wording. 



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Errorist76 said:
I’m shocked by the ignorance some people show in this thread. As if the reason for the banning of Nazi symbolics was a way to hide from the past. The opposite is the case.

Actually I agree with the people you call ignorant. I can't help but think the German government thinks if people saw the Nazi symbol it would somehow cause a resurgence of Nazis, why else would you hide it? Germany also limits violence in games so clearly they fear their people simply can't handle the same content most of the world gets to see.

At the very least Germany should have had a distinction of using Nazis in a game and glorifying Nazis. But its evident the people creating these laws thought very little of its people.



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Errorist76 said:
I’m shocked by the ignorance some people show in this thread. As if the reason for the banning of Nazi symbolics was a way to hide from the past. The opposite is the case.

Actually I agree with the people you call ignorant. I can't help but think the German government thinks if people saw the Nazi symbol it would somehow cause a resurgence of Nazis, why else would you hide it? Germany also limits violence in games so clearly they fear their people simply can't handle the same content most of the world gets to see.

At the very least Germany should have had a distinction of using Nazis in a game and glorifying Nazis. But its evident the people creating these laws thought very little of its people.

The laws in germany make a distinction if using Nazis in a glorifying or damning way. And with the news in the OP no law was changed. Only a regulatory body decided to change it's rules. Publishers could release games with Nazi crosses in it. They would've probably faced a long court case, but most spectators already agreed the exceptions for movies and books and other material is applyable to games too. It's just: no publisher wanted to take the risk and go first. So no, the laws are unchanged, nothing really changes, only a regulatory body takes the heat instead of a publisher.



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Mnementh said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Actually I agree with the people you call ignorant. I can't help but think the German government thinks if people saw the Nazi symbol it would somehow cause a resurgence of Nazis, why else would you hide it? Germany also limits violence in games so clearly they fear their people simply can't handle the same content most of the world gets to see.

At the very least Germany should have had a distinction of using Nazis in a game and glorifying Nazis. But its evident the people creating these laws thought very little of its people.

The laws in germany make a distinction if using Nazis in a glorifying or damning way. And with the news in the OP no law was changed. Only a regulatory body decided to change it's rules. Publishers could release games with Nazi crosses in it. They would've probably faced a long court case, but most spectators already agreed the exceptions for movies and books and other material is applyable to games too. It's just: no publisher wanted to take the risk and go first. So no, the laws are unchanged, nothing really changes, only a regulatory body takes the heat instead of a publisher.

Well even if you have to worry about a legal battle over using Nazi imagery, that's a problem.

Either way, I imagine Germans do see the content banned in their media via YouTube and maybe acquiring contraband software. Less censorship the better in my opinion.



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captain carot said:
Azzanation said:
Stupid rule to begin with.

The rule has the simple reason to be against gloryfying/advertising Nazis. You're not allowed to show a hakenkreuz (swastika) or SS-rune tatoo for example, you're not allowed to paint a hakenkreuz on your car and so on.

Holocaust denial also is sanctioned in Germany.

There are exceptions for showing Nazi symbols for historical, educational, artistic and some other reasons of course. The problem tih games, acording to the 'Oberste Landes-Jugendschutzbehörden (basically federal youth protection authorities) was that they so far made a difference between passive and active media and until now had been under the opinion that Nazi symbols in games were a case for the courts. Thus, so far the OLJB had denied games with such symbols for USK ratings.

If any publisher had gone through a lawsuit we could have this 'ban' (which actually wasn't one) years ago.

Regardless of your reasoning behind it, humans shouldn't be baby sitted in anyway by hiding or lawfully forcing images, logos and icons away. If that's the faith the government has on its people than there afraid of there people and don't trust them. Its like calling everyone blood thirster murderers so they have to be tamed. Same goes with banning video games etc. We are humans not animals.

If anything the more you hide something the more you have people out there to find the truth or reasoning behind it which than causes underground clans and cults aka Neo Nazis.



Even if it's related to something good it seems things always end up with people trying to rip each other's anuses apart.



Good move, provided it doesn't lead to Neo-Nazis rising up in Germany. Those scum aren't welcome anywhere.



Aeolus451 said:
Peh said:

If germany would censor their history, you wouldn't find nazi symbols in movies, textbook, documentation, museums and so on. The only exception here are video games. Why? Because they are / were not considered to be a form of art. Cencoring history has absolulety nothing to do with it. It might help reading the criminal code 86a for further education.

 

Nevertheless, your original statement is purely ignorant regarding the topic and nonsensical in using excuses.

 

I wasn't saying they were censoring their entire history, Sherlock. I only said that they shouldn't censor their history (as in any part of it) because it's history. Banning symbolism or the showing of something in a medium is a form of censorship regardless of the reasoning. I can't believe they banned it for that reason because it's so fucking stupid. Nazis are always portrayed as villians in games. A politician would have to be incredibly ignorant of video games to use that as an excuse. 

My post was fine. It was meant as a one time post as "I agree with lifting the ban because history should be preserved". That's it. If you want to argue over stupid shit, have at it with someone else. I don't care what you think of my post.

That's just not true. There exist lots of games where the nazis are the heroes. Most of them from the 80s and 90s.