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Also indirectly declaring games as art. Deutschland has it all figured out.



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COKTOE said:
I wonder if aesthetically accurate depictions of Hitler will ever be allowed?

They are allowed see downfall a german film



Suprising move but appreciated.
It doesn't really change much but as vivster said it implicates that games are recognized as art.



Publishers could also have taken the way through the courts before that, it's just that no one wanted to pay for that. Until now there wasn't exactly a ban but you where denied for USK-ratings if you had specific symbols in your games and that makes selling specific games extremely difficult. The BPjM could also put a sales ban on specific foreign games.
Now the responsible youth protaction authorities have finally managed to change their policies so USK can actuelly give age ratings to games with Nazi symbols.

Might be interesting for the German speaking:
https://www.gameswirtschaft.de/politik/usk-elisabeth-secker-86stgb-interview/



Peh said:
Aeolus451 said:
Good. They shouldn't be censoring their own history.

*Sigh*

I don't think it gets more ignorant than this. 

No, germany never censored their own history. Do some research before posting such nonsense.

The nazi symbol was a part of of their history and they were censoring it in games. Why are you arguing over this?



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Luke888 said:
Woooooooow, great for all the german players, that was really unexpected, I bet the Wolfenstein devs are partying right now !

Games still need to be approved. It just means that the use of an anti-constitutional symbol doesn't per-se get the title banned. If the symbol is used in a glamorising/glorifying way the game will still be banned. I doubt the Wolfenstein games will be classified as such, but it still doesn't mean all games will automatically be able to use it.

 

Aeolus451 said: 
Peh said: 

*Sigh*

I don't think it gets more ignorant than this. 

No, germany never censored their own history. Do some research before posting such nonsense.

The nazi symbol was a part of of their history and they were censoring it in games. Why are you arguing over this?

The way you put it out of context makes it sound incredibly ignorant nonetheless. The Nazi symbols were and are banned, so they can't be used for glorifying and advertising reasons. The reason for that should be understandable even to the simple minded. This still doesn't mean Germany is censoring their history. The world would be a better place if other countries like the U.S., Japan, Russia etc. would deal with their history in an open and educational way, as the Germans do.

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Aeolus451 said:
Peh said:

*Sigh*

I don't think it gets more ignorant than this. 

No, germany never censored their own history. Do some research before posting such nonsense.

The nazi symbol was a part of of their history and they were censoring it in games. Why are you arguing over this?

If germany would censor their history, you wouldn't find nazi symbols in movies, textbook, documentation, museums and so on. The only exception here are video games. Why? Because they are / were not considered to be a form of art. Cencoring history has absolulety nothing to do with it. It might help reading the criminal code 86a for further education.

 

Nevertheless, your original statement is purely ignorant regarding the topic and nonsensical in using excuses.

 



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Stupid rule to begin with.



Peh said:
Kerotan said:
About time. You can't keep hiding from history forever.

 

nidavellir said:

It's not ridiculous considering Germany history with that symbol... But I guess it's good they lifted the ban, it means they can confront their own history now in a way

Is there a history class in schools where you live? Germany was never hiding from from what happened in the past. Saying otherwise is an insult and shows how ignorant you are on the topic. 

Sorry if my words were misunderstood, english is not my native language. I'm french, so of course I've learn about post-WWII history in Europe. When I said confront, I meant they could now accept that this symbol is not something that cannot be shown in any way, but that it can be used for criticism of the ideology it represents, among others...



Azzanation said:
Stupid rule to begin with.

The rule has the simple reason to be against gloryfying/advertising Nazis. You're not allowed to show a hakenkreuz (swastika) or SS-rune tatoo for example, you're not allowed to paint a hakenkreuz on your car and so on.

Holocaust denial also is sanctioned in Germany.

There are exceptions for showing Nazi symbols for historical, educational, artistic and some other reasons of course. The problem tih games, acording to the 'Oberste Landes-Jugendschutzbehörden (basically federal youth protection authorities) was that they so far made a difference between passive and active media and until now had been under the opinion that Nazi symbols in games were a case for the courts. Thus, so far the OLJB had denied games with such symbols for USK ratings.

If any publisher had gone through a lawsuit we could have this 'ban' (which actually wasn't one) years ago.