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Should EPA withdraw from the CPP?

Yes, because I have no gr... 19 21.35%
 
No. 70 78.65%
 
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Errorist76 on 10 October 2017
fatslob-:O said:
Errorist76 said:

Sorry to say this, but I feel ashamed to be forced to share this planet with egoistic specimen like you, to be honest. Using the word climate alarmist as something bad is exactly the rhetoric I’d expect but what do you gain from putting that head in the dirt?! I don’t understand...too lazy to change something, too stubborn to accept reality?! Sometimes I really wish they’d put LSD in people’s fresh water. Please watch the documentaries Samsara, Baraka, Kooyanisqatsi. Maybe this can burst your bubble, although I doubt it. You’re probably too scared you might be forced to change your mind anyway. You seem to boast with your knowledge but you know nothing, you’re a fool...willingly dragging us all down with you.

It's exactly what it is, nothing but bullshit climate alarmism but I don't expect others like you to understand ... 

Neat ad hominem, my aren't we offended much ? LMAO, accusing others of being "too stubborn to accept reality" and then calling them a "fool" when you can't even make a proper retort with facts shows desperation on your part ... 

LOL, calling me "scared" when I know better than most including you that there's no life to be had either way on Earth in the far future after a billion years when solar output will make all of our ocean's boil regardless ...

What other insults do you have next in store to show how much more off base you can get ?

You probably don’t have kids if you really deny that we’re rapidly speeding processes up. No, I don’t want to understand your ignorant kind. You’re cancer to humanity.



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Teeqoz on 10 October 2017
fatslob-:O said:

@Bold Which is why we should all calm down even as CO2 levels are spiking when solar activity is just as big of a factor in determining average temperatures ... (even a change in the Earth's orbit could affect temperatures!) 

The fate of Earth is boiling oceans either way so we have to find a new planet to live on (if our species even survives that long) whether if we continue to use fossil fuels or not ... 

I agree that global warming is a relatively short term problem in the grand scheme of all humanity's history, past and future, but that doesn't mean I'm going to gloss over the possible shorter term humanitarian consequences.



fatslob-:O on 10 October 2017
Errorist76 said:

You probably don’t have kids if you really deny that we’re rapidly speeding processes up. No, I don’t want to understand your ignorant kind. You’re cancer to humanity.

Ooh, you have me scared now ... /sarcasm 

What are you gonna do ? Continue using more of your feelings in an argument like how anti-intellectual's would ? LOL ... (Can't put up any facts to back up any of your crap ?)

Teeqoz said:

I agree that global warming is a relatively short term problem in the grand scheme of all humanity's history, past and future, but that doesn't mean I'm going to gloss over the possible shorter term humanitarian consequences.

Yes but those consequences don't necessarily have to be all or a net detriment ... 

Even NASA is willing to admit that higher CO2 concentrations and temperatures than before benefits plant life so far shows this ... (climate change is and was never a doomsday scenario to begin with as we literally don't have enough reserves/deposits to create a runaway greenhouse gas effect, the most likely doomsday scenario was our sun progressing into a red giant but even that isn't for another billion or so years) 



OdinHades on 10 October 2017

There is just no reason to not pursue renewable energy. Sure, maybe climate change isn't real and blahblahblah. But even if that turned out to be the case, we would end up with a better energy source that doesn't rely on limited resources.



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Sharu on 10 October 2017

What is 'clean power'?



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Mnementh on 10 October 2017
vivster said:
It's nice if a country wants to be like China but why do they have to pick 90's China and not current China?

Hehe, I like your post. To the point.



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vivster on 10 October 2017
OdinHades said:
There is just no reason to not pursue renewable energy. Sure, maybe climate change isn't real and blahblahblah. But even if that turned out to be the case, we would end up with a better energy source that doesn't rely on limited resources.

Of course there is. Clean energy is the main cause for destroying the fragile ecosystem of Republican egos.



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Ganoncrotch on 10 October 2017
StarOcean said:
Ganoncrotch said:
I clicked yes because a poll like that is a terrible way to run a poll if you think that's a good way to gauge public views on a matter... sad times for the illusion of democracy or a vote.

Do you like Tim
[ ] Yes
[ ] No I'm a dribbling idiot who likes a moron

See how the above isn't a way to ask a question of a user? you are stacking the odds on a user clicking the option which doesn't attack either them or the reason behind clicking the option they feel is right, if you want to load reasons for an option being right into something then do it in the OP and educate people why your thoughts on the matter are valid.

Because there only is one option. If you believe it's good to put the country behind, ruin the planet, and avoid better methods of obtaining energy -then, I'm sorry, the person is stupid. As stupid as the less than human animals that deny climate change. 

No point putting the poll/thread then if you don't want to possibly hear someone bring up their side of a matter, you just want to bang out what you think and include "anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid" Doesn't invite discussion when you come into something with that mindset.

Maybe you just wanted to use the thread as a soapbox to stand on and shout about something, that's fine, but you have to understand that if you start a debate with the pretense that anyone who would debate against you is stupid, then people aren't going to really bother.

(I'm not just talking about this thread in the slightest btw, I couldn't care less about the EPA or will not lose sleep about someone leaving the Clean Power Plan simply because what goes on there is decided by billionaire business's which fund the people in Government, I'm just saying in general, open discussion doesn't happen with a put down of one side before the word "discuss" comes out)



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Teeqoz on 10 October 2017
fatslob-:O said:
Teeqoz said:

I agree that global warming is a relatively short term problem in the grand scheme of all humanity's history, past and future, but that doesn't mean I'm going to gloss over the possible shorter term humanitarian consequences.

Yes but those consequences don't necessarily have to be all or a net detriment ... 

Even NASA is willing to admit that higher CO2 concentrations and temperatures than before benefits plant life so far shows this ... (climate change is and was never a doomsday scenario to begin with as we literally don't have enough reserves/deposits to create a runaway greenhouse gas effect, the most likely doomsday scenario was our sun progressing into a red giant but even that isn't for another billion or so years) 

I have never said that we would get a runaway greenhouse effect, that has never been the issue. And the issue hasn't been plants either - as you say, many plants thrive due to higher CO2 concentrations and temperatures. My biggest concern is the potential impact on people, states and the economy.



crissindahouse on 10 October 2017

I will never understand those who defend this just because "miners would lose their jobs".

I mean, yes, it sucks for them but the planet and everyone on it is more important than those people of whom many can do something else if they just try. Many will end in a job like working for Amazon or shit like that but that's not an excuse that they should work as miner as long as they want without to fear losing the job because "a miner can only mine and also not leave his town to another place to find a job"

Sometimes there are just more important things than that.