Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
You are really good at arguing against things people never said.
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Point remains -- 100 mill is likely not happening with a new breakout IP that sells *a lot* and brings in an audience that wouldn't otherwise in most likelyhood have purchased the system.
Wii Sports obviously did that for the Wii, but it's not the only singular example of that.
1,2 Switch is basically Nintendo's attempt at making a Wii Sports though and it's nowhere close, that's all I'm saying is they don't right now have *that* game.
All the Pokemons and Mario Kart and Smash Bros. and 2D Mario and 3D Mario only got the 3DS to 65 million even after an extended life cycle of 6 full years. So if the Switch is more or less going to rely on these IP plus Splatoon .... I dunno if that makes up the difference from 65 mill to 100 mill. You need to have something huge break out and Nintendo has not had a lot of luck trying to find that game since the industry changed 6-7 years ago.
That said as I've said before I don't think 100 million in itself is that big of a deal. I would rather have 70 million on the basis of a loyal customer base that plays video games intently rather than a wishy washy crowd of 100 million that could jump ship at any moment.
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You are wrong, look for instance best selling games of best selling console ever (PS2), in top 10 best selling games on PS2 almost none of them is new IP, you basically now have same situation with PS4.
Wii Sports was one kind of game for any console or handheld out there, not just for Wii. Zelda BotW also is not Wii Sports but it will be definitely one of biggest system sellers ever out there, that is game that will sell Switch through years, Zelda BotW will be Switchs GTAV.
3DS will end up around 70m but its not selling "only 70m" and less than 100m beacuse doesnt have "a new breakout IP that sells" but fact is this 3DS needed to fight against mobile phones and tablets, that wasn't case with any previous handheld.
So no, its not point that you must "to have a new breakout IP that sells" like Wii Sports, actually also stronge point is to have marketable and more appealing hardware, and Switch is definitely more marketable and more appealing hardware than 3DS is (nobady cares about 3D). Switch like handheld and console we will have much more appealing on market because it hybrid, real home console and real handheld in one, its aiming both markets in same time, that wasn't case with 3DS or any Nintendo hardware. Of Course that doesn't meant automatically better sales than 3DS or Wii, because there are many thing go in account if we talk about LT numbers.
Also you dont know that Switch will rely only on existing IPs, actually it's seems that Nintendo is more willing to invest in new IPs after Splatoon, we already have ARMS only few months after launch.
Soundwave said:
KLXVER said:
Many of us would love Nintendo to stick to core games only, but its just not going to happen. Best we can hope for is a BOTW every 5 years with some DKC, Mario Odyssey and Splatoon like games sprinkled in every now and then.
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This is a problem then, because they need to get games like BOTW out more often than that.
It's not just BoTW either ... Splatoon was made in like 2 years flat ... so you can create games that appeal to a new generation of gamers and not require 5 years.
They would also be well advised to make sure Mario Odyessy is the GOTY type candidate and not accept anything less.
They should look at other genre types that are popular today too, I mention FPS', ARMS looks like a decent take on the Street Fighter concept.
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You need to be realistic, games critically acclaimed like BotW that are basically one best games ever, are usually one game per generation per platform, you will hardly have multiple games like those in one gen per platform.
Splatoon is difrent kind of game, its not critically acclaimed like BotW but it has mass appeling and huge popularity, and Nintendo already trying to achive something similar with ARMS, and probably we will see some more new IPs on Switch.
Yes, Mario Odyssey seem like another must have Switch title with metascore of around 95 and GOTY. So basically two GOTY and even possible GOTG games in its 9 months of console on market.
ARMS is like Splatoon, its Nintendo take on fighting games similar like Splatoon is their take on shooters.
curl-6 said:
It is way, way too early to be talking about Switch outselling the Wii. Sure, it has had a strong launch, but so did the Dreamcast and Wii U.
Let's see how it's selling this time next year.
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Wii U had strong launch, but everything about Wii U was very negative despite strong launch, in comparison everything about Switch looks much more positive, not to mentione that Switch broke some records, it has one best games ever like launch game and other very strong games will be out in 1st 9 months of console on market, and demand seems much higher than was for Wii U.
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
It is way, way too early to be talking about Switch outselling the Wii. Sure, it has had a strong launch, but so did the Dreamcast and Wii U.
Let's see how it's selling this time next year.
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N64 could also be thrown into that mix. Selling through the first 2-3 million is the easy part.
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N64 had pretty bad launch on some markets and needed to receive fast price cut on those markets
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