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Zero999 said:
setsunatenshi said:

when you try to sell a product to a mass market, perceptions are everything. Making a big spectacle in the biggest day in gaming can be the difference between being talked about and being ignored.

If Nintendo is happy selling to the fans that already got their console, great. If their intention is to grow the userbase... this is a terrible move. 

They can't determine how things are done anymore, they have to meet the expectations that both Sony and MS are constantly adhering to (in this case a show of strength in a big E3 spectacle) 

a spectacle that won't be watched by the mass market and thus, is irrelevant for your argument. stop believing this stuff. they will announce their games a susual and the media will cover it as usual.


The E3 is the ONLY moment of the year that the gaming industry makes the top stories of the non gaming media all over the world. The press conferences are broadcasted and the hype machines get to full speed.

Like I said, perception is everything in this business. In my oppinion it's a big mistake for Nintendo to bow out of the E3 conference. If you don't think so, hopefully you're not one of those people complaining about the lack of 'respect' Nintendo gets in the gaming press and publishers.



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setsunatenshi said:
Zero999 said:

a spectacle that won't be watched by the mass market and thus, is irrelevant for your argument. stop believing this stuff. they will announce their games a susual and the media will cover it as usual.


The E3 is the ONLY moment of the year that the gaming industry makes the top stories of the non gaming media all over the world. The press conferences are broadcasted and the hype machines get to full speed.

Like I said, perception is everything in this business. In my oppinion it's a big mistake for Nintendo to bow out of the E3 conference. If you don't think so, hopefully you're not one of those people complaining about the lack of 'respect' Nintendo gets in the gaming press and publishers.

And guess what the media will keep covering? whatever nintendo announces during E3.



Things I remember about last years E3:

XBOX ONE: water cooler, sports, sports, tv, tv, tv, tv, call of duty, call of duty, sports, tv, tv, caullah duty, etc.

PS4: hey everyone, we won't do DRM *everyone goes batshit crazy*

Wii U: Mega Man reveal in Smash Bros 4, Mario Kart 8 reveal, epic Project X trailer, oh look a new Mario game that doesn't look all that great (then months later looked amazing)

That being said, I don't think Nintendo was fully prepared for how the media outlets would handle their new way presenting their stuff. This year, they look much more organized (Holding the Smash tourney inside the Nokia Theatre is going to yield much more publicity, which will lead to more widespread release of info to the public on their entire agenda)



setsunatenshi said:
Ouroboros24 said:
I get it, I really do. Some gamers treat E3 like Christmas and they prefer their Christmas gift under a tree(the tree being E3...a pun, get it?) We still get a gift, but some gamers want there to be the whole enchilada. You know what I'm talking about, the tinsels, the lights, the angel or star above the tree, the fake foam snow that causes them to be nauseous. I do understand. But please, understand as well that you still get the gift of E3 with reveals, with the shocking new announcements, if you're actually there you'll get to experience the games, the Reggie, the Miyamoto, the trailers, the everything you want from an E3 except for the giant stage.

I just think some people are hypnotized by the grandeur of it all. You know how some people can't do without the facepaint at a Super Bowl. I mean, what is really taken out of the Event except for maybe the live reactions, the quiet resonance of an unimpressed audience, the technical difficulties, and most of all the gooey awkward cheesy, stinky cheesyness of participants on the stage.

People are made to believe that what makes an E3 event, not just a stage event, good is a stage presence. No, that is the icing of the event. I try to be a purest and take E3 for what it is, a sharing of new content for the future, a day when companies share what they have in store.

Some of you think that this is a red flag that says Nintendo is not one of the big boys anymore. What? Okay, to be fair, I understand that giving a conference is the norm, but that's just it, its the norm. To take this as Nintendo's bow out to the event as waving a white flag is just pure speculation that does nobody any good. When there is hate for this, it's the norm being bent to a different model. There are a lot of you that see it this way, but it's not hurtful to you or the industry, its simply another way to do it minus all that cheese. Nintendo this gets its message out there and I doubt Nintendo is not going to have a booth at E3. What the hell is everyone bitching about?

when you try to sell a product to a mass market, perceptions are everything. Making a big spectacle in the biggest day in gaming can be the difference between being talked about and being ignored.

If Nintendo is happy selling to the fans that already got their console, great. If their intention is to grow the userbase... this is a terrible move. 

They can't determine how things are done anymore, they have to meet the expectations that both Sony and MS are constantly adhering to (in this case a show of strength in a big E3 spectacle) 


There's nothing to suggest that the E3 conference last year had any impact on sales.  If you look at the year by year Wii U sales, they are very close to one another. 

March 2, 2013 =  29,560

March 1, 2014 = 42,435

March 16, 2013 = 28,115

March 15, 2014 = 36,817

March 30, 2013 = 65,326

March 29, 2014 = 40,771

The prior year to 2013, they did have an E3 event.  Prior to that years release, no one knew for certain, how the Wii U was going to do.  Speculations were made, but nothing really substantial that harken the Wii U's slow pace.  And here we are 2014, and the Wii U is still going at or close to the rate it was going last year. 

Now, I have to point out that year the coverage for PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U have been pretty much as the coverage they have gotten in previous years.  There's really no scale, but from an eyeball perspective, I can say that I've seen the same amount of coverage with any of the 3 getting more or less coverage due to act of god.  That's what I saw.  If anyone else could see where Nintendo was being treated like the ugly step daughter, please point that out, I would certainly like to read it. 

And yes, it is important to have an image out there, it does.  But that image of Nintendo has been the same image they've had since they first spit out a Mario game. Infact, I can argue that they are starting to build a more open character image now since then.  For instance, Mega64 helping Nintendo reveal their E3 plans.  Never in a million years did I think they would reach out to the gaming community like that.  It was both funny and smart a move.  "Forget about it, I'm going home." -Reggie.  For them to work with Mega64, a Youtube channel that openly mocks Nintendo on many occasions of their videos, that's like Sonic in a Mario game.  Not to mention the Mario Kart 8 Direct with some of the jokes actually being funny, yeah, that's what their E3 video should have.  So, I think that this is good for them. 

The problem with Nintendo has always been the same.  If the original Wii won them their dominance during that era, is because of the novelty and sheer originality of the wiimotes catering to both core and casual gamers.  Prior to that, Nintendo competed with Sony and Microsoft through games alone, and they are doing the same thing now with their games.  Without that quote unquote gimmick, they have the same people buying Nintendo consoles as they had before with the Gamecube and prior.  So yes, Nintendo has a problem, but it's not an on stage solution.  Yes, Nintendo does need to change their image, but not necessarily is the answer to build a stage on E3.  It will garner the same Yahoo article, or Vgchartz article, or Gametrailers article, or Forbes article, or gamespot article, or god even local news more or less.  Did anyone see the local news anyways?  My local news only said they're were new games and xbox and sony and nintendo were there.  No real game journalism.  But that's my point, news will cover it all.  And, when was the last time any broadcasting news not associated with Videogames ever, ever, i mean everrrrr, mention who won E3?  Local news or even National news never have a round robin disccussion about who won E3?  That's right, it's always been the same game sites that do it.  Don't be hypenotized by them.  Make up your own choices.  For instance, I say I'd rather have a PS4 and a Wii U.  haha



It certainly helps draw up the lines.

Nintendo's detractors are out there AND in here in this very thread, calling them stupid non-factoring losers,.

Their devotees are stating that they give no shits whatsoever about a stage show, as long as the games are there.

You just may be right in that the mere announcement of not doing a press conference is garnering them way more attention ahead of E3 in the gaming community than an announcement stating the opposite would have.



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Ouroboros24 said:

So yes, Nintendo has a problem, but it's not an on stage solution.  Yes, Nintendo does need to change their image, but not necessarily is the answer to build a stage on E3.  


Great, we agree on that part :)

Everything else is a matter of strategy, in my oppinion every bit can either help or be deterimental. My main point is, Nintendo wants (I would hope so) to convince the Playstation and Xbox owners to buy their console and games. The E3 stage is a non irrelevant platform to entice this userbase and in some way the more general crowd. The Nintendo directs might seem very good from an insular prespective of a die hard Nintendo fan, but it's not bringing in new audiences.

And when Microsoft and Sony's feud explodes the internet, we get this from Nintendo: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIzrdxAlVSQ



Um, you guys are all very much misinformed. I'd go back and rewatch the announcement before any more misinformation gets spread. They will be there. They're just doing their conference as a prerecorded bit rather than an awkward developer getting on stage going on about sales and metrics for 35 pointless minutes. Also, the livestreaming Tree House as they're calling it sounds awesome.

I hope m$ and PS are paying all you blind haters to do their job for them.



For a company that is irrelevant and out of touch, Nintendo sure gathers a lot of attention for something as minute as deciding to prerecord their E3 presentation rather than do it live.



F0X said:
impertinence said:
If Nintendo brings the goods, they will get the attention. If they drop megaton after megaton no one is going to care if they did it on stage or in a streamed video, people will flip their lid either way. If they present just a bunch of awesome and cool stuff, people will pretend that they don't care as usual and nothing will be different.


I concur. The only problem with last year's E3 Direct was that it didn't have enough cool surprises, which are the most effective fuel for the gamer hype machiene.

I agree! They need to surprise us by announcing Wii Music 2!



                
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padib said:
setsunatenshi said:
Ouroboros24 said:

So yes, Nintendo has a problem, but it's not an on stage solution.  Yes, Nintendo does need to change their image, but not necessarily is the answer to build a stage on E3.  


Great, we agree on that part :)

Everything else is a matter of strategy, in my oppinion every bit can either help or be deterimental. My main point is, Nintendo wants (I would hope so) to convince the Playstation and Xbox owners to buy their console and games. The E3 stage is a non irrelevant platform to entice this userbase and in some way the more general crowd. The Nintendo directs might seem very good from an insular prespective of a die hard Nintendo fan, but it's not bringing in new audiences.

And when Microsoft and Sony's feud explodes the internet, we get this from Nintendo: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIzrdxAlVSQ

@bold. You could not be more wrong. That is not their target userbase. Nintendo sells boatloads of 3DS, but in general not to the same people who enjoy the main PS and XB home consoles. The content on the 3DS versus the content on the PS/XB proves that. Companies offer content on a platform that sells on that platform, and the content for the 3DS and the PS/XB are so different it's almost black on white.

So Nintendo doesn't want nor need to convince those owners of anything, they just sell to a different market (as the 3DS and most WiiU content show).

There may be some cross-cutting, but that would just show that the two audiences may have some tastes that meet here and there.


Are you being serious? As far as I know Nintendo is a publicly traded company whose main purpose is to maximize profits for their shareholders, not a charity organization.

They want every PS and Xbox gamer, their moms, aunts and pets to buy Nintendo hardware and software as well as everyone else in the world. The paths to make it happen might be the point of discussion, but the objective is clearly that one. If Iwata has mentioned otherwise, then I would expect him being sacked as the CEO of the company ASAP.

The fact that you 'concede' the PS/XBox market to be something apart is the same reason why I'm saying Nintendo needs to step up to their credentials in E3.

I do have a PS4, a Vita, a 3DS and a gaming PC (plus all previous gen consoles and have been gaming since the NES days). I spend a ton of money in software every year. Are you saying that Nintendo shouldn't appeal to me anymore? I find it a terrible shame that the general consensus among the most loyal Nintendo fans is one of separation from the rest of the gaming market instead of trying to include everyone. The results of these policies are plainly visible nowadays.

Also, I never said they don't sell a lot of 3DS, but their market has shrunk in the recent years also in the handheld department, which they have led since the early days of the gameboy.