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theprof00 on 15 December 2012
Squilliam said:
theprof00 said:
Carl2291 said:
I disagree.

Its not that there are too many trolls, its that people are too thin-skinned, paranoid and get offended at the least little thing. This site has always been this way. Its been far worse than how it is now.

One thing that makes VGChartz forums far worse than many other forums is the competitive nature of the site. Its about sales. Cold, hard numbers. Naturally, this brings in the fanboys and threads get trashed either way. Be it a Halo thread, a Mario thread or a Gran Turismo thread.

I also think that we could do with another couple of active moderators.

Thank you.

I've reported maybe 15 things in 4 years, but I'm sure I get reported every day.

I reported you for not reporting enough. I expect with your storied past that this time it might be permament.

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Squilliam on 15 December 2012
theprof00 said:
Squilliam said:
theprof00 said:
Carl2291 said:
I disagree.

Its not that there are too many trolls, its that people are too thin-skinned, paranoid and get offended at the least little thing. This site has always been this way. Its been far worse than how it is now.

One thing that makes VGChartz forums far worse than many other forums is the competitive nature of the site. Its about sales. Cold, hard numbers. Naturally, this brings in the fanboys and threads get trashed either way. Be it a Halo thread, a Mario thread or a Gran Turismo thread.

I also think that we could do with another couple of active moderators.

Thank you.

I've reported maybe 15 things in 4 years, but I'm sure I get reported every day.

I reported you for not reporting enough. I expect with your storied past that this time it might be permament.

My stories are lighthearted and mischeivous only I swear! I'm the lovable rascal!

I'll let you off this time with a warning...



Tease.

theprof00 on 15 December 2012
amp316 said:
I know that trolling was much worse it 2007-8, but that's not the issue. While I do agree with what Carl said about people needing a thicker skin, there definitely have been more problems recently due to trolling because of fanboyism. The Vita's initial sales have been less than stellar to put it nicely and certain Nintendo fans jumped all over it. Now the Wii U has released and it's first couple of weeks haven't been that great so certain Sony fans jump all over it. You can trace things back further and say stuff like Nintendo fans jumped on the Sony fans about the Vita because certain Sony fans scoffed at the initial 3DS sales and there's always the Sony vs. Microsoft thing, but the root of the problem is fanboyism. Most gamers favor one company over another and there is no problem in that. The problem is when they refuse to see how anyone else can see anything good in their favorite gaming company's competitors so they ridicule them. In conclusion, the sudden influx of trolling has happened because new systems have been released. Expect things to get even more heated when the next Playstation and XBox are released (if that's indeed what they are going to be called).

Now about what the moderators can do... As TADS stated earlier in this thread, the mod team has been working very hard together behind the scenes by having discussions about what is acceptable and what is not and there isn't always a black and white answer for everything. Stealth trolling, for example, is very much in the grey area so to speak. When does it cross the line? When is it funny? So on and so forth. All I can say is that overall I think that we have been very lenient in certain areas and maybe more strict in others, but we are trying to find the happy medium that makes this a fun site to visit. If we were to be Nazi mods, as was suggested earlier, then I don't think that we would have many members that would want to return. On the other hand, we don't wan't to be too lenient because my goal and I'm sure the goal of the other mods is that VGChartz should be a place where someone can come to have an intelligent and sometimes relatively heated debate without things descending into immature trolling. As I said above, it's all about us finding the happy medium which is easier said than done. We are always open for suggestions and will take them into consideration.

Also a very good post.

Especially the bolded.



amp316 on 15 December 2012
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
amp316 said:
I know that trolling was much worse it 2007-8, but that's not the issue. While I do agree with what Carl said about people needing a thicker skin, there definitely have been more problems recently due to trolling because of fanboyism. The Vita's initial sales have been less than stellar to put it nicely and certain Nintendo fans jumped all over it. Now the Wii U has released and it's first couple of weeks haven't been that great so certain Sony fans jump all over it. You can trace things back further and say stuff like Nintendo fans jumped on the Sony fans about the Vita because certain Sony fans scoffed at the initial 3DS sales and there's always the Sony vs. Microsoft thing, but the root of the problem is fanboyism. Most gamers favor one company over another and there is no problem in that. The problem is when they refuse to see how anyone else can see anything good in their favorite gaming company's competitors so they ridicule them. In conclusion, the sudden influx of trolling has happened because new systems have been released. Expect things to get even more heated when the next Playstation and XBox are released (if that's indeed what they are going to be called).

Now about what the moderators can do... As TADS stated earlier in this thread, the mod team has been working very hard together behind the scenes by having discussions about what is acceptable and what is not and there isn't always a black and white answer for everything. Stealth trolling, for example, is very much in the grey area so to speak. When does it cross the line? When is it funny? So on and so forth. All I can say is that overall I think that we have been very lenient in certain areas and maybe more strict in others, but we are trying to find the happy medium that makes this a fun site to visit. If we were to be Nazi mods, as was suggested earlier, then I don't think that we would have many members that would want to return. On the other hand, we don't wan't to be too lenient because my goal and I'm sure the goal of the other mods is that VGChartz should be a place where someone can come to have an intelligent and sometimes relatively heated debate without things descending into immature trolling. As I said above, it's all about us finding the happy medium which is easier said than done. We are always open for suggestions and will take them into consideration.


suggestions? only one.

discretion, which is what the mod team is alreay doing. the medium yields the same results as over moding, and under moding and that's unhappy members.

so mods just do wht you can. it's not black and white, and intent blurs the lines of funny and trolling, and you want to be fair, and not harp on harmless post while being vigilant.

what a job!! that blured line is why i couldn't do the job.

So in other words we can't make anyone happy by doing anything?  That's good to know.  :p



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theprof00 on 15 December 2012
Carl2291 said:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/forum-rules.php#content

Quality of Language.

Make an effort to type in full words and sentences. Put a space after punctuation and capitalise the start of sentences. You’re not writing a text message, and you are not in any hurry. It is very easy to tell the difference between a non-native speaker (who is more than welcome here) and somebody who is simply not making any effort to be coherent. You won’t be moderated for using text speak, but it certainly won’t endear you to other users. Similarly, use paragraphs and line breaks, because nobody wants to read an enormous wall of text.
_________

The above applies to your earlier post spurge.

Im posting from a phone. Have done for about a Year. I dont have many spelling problems... Just take your time posting

Can we stop picking on Spurge?



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man-bear-pig on 15 December 2012

Trolling is fine when it's done in jest (like some of the threads Rol, Jay, me, Galaki, etc. make).

What's bad though, is when you get a few users who are cursed with being a troll AND being a fanboy. This leads to stealth-trolling to the extreme, and due to the subtle nature of their trolling they are exempt from moderation.

Also, due to the way this industry is right now there's gonna be a lot of change. In the past few weeks, users who I've previously respected and valued their opinions have shown themselves to be the stealth-trolling fanboy-troll combo type of user I've been talking about above.



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theprof00 on 15 December 2012
man-bear-pig said:

Trolling is fine when it's done in jest (like some of the threads Rol, Jay, me, Galaki, etc. make).

What's bad though, is when you get a few users who are cursed with being a troll AND being a fanboy. This leads to stealth-trolling to the extreme, and due to the subtle nature of their trolling they are exempt from moderation.

Also, due to the way this industry is right now there's gonna be a lot of change. In the past few weeks, users who I've previously respected and valued their opinions have shown themselves to be the stealth-trolling fanboy-troll combo type of user I've been talking about above.

Names, man! I need names!



MARCUSDJACKSON on 15 December 2012
amp316 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
amp316 said:
I know that trolling was much worse it 2007-8, but that's not the issue. While I do agree with what Carl said about people needing a thicker skin, there definitely have been more problems recently due to trolling because of fanboyism. The Vita's initial sales have been less than stellar to put it nicely and certain Nintendo fans jumped all over it. Now the Wii U has released and it's first couple of weeks haven't been that great so certain Sony fans jump all over it. You can trace things back further and say stuff like Nintendo fans jumped on the Sony fans about the Vita because certain Sony fans scoffed at the initial 3DS sales and there's always the Sony vs. Microsoft thing, but the root of the problem is fanboyism. Most gamers favor one company over another and there is no problem in that. The problem is when they refuse to see how anyone else can see anything good in their favorite gaming company's competitors so they ridicule them. In conclusion, the sudden influx of trolling has happened because new systems have been released. Expect things to get even more heated when the next Playstation and XBox are released (if that's indeed what they are going to be called).

Now about what the moderators can do... As TADS stated earlier in this thread, the mod team has been working very hard together behind the scenes by having discussions about what is acceptable and what is not and there isn't always a black and white answer for everything. Stealth trolling, for example, is very much in the grey area so to speak. When does it cross the line? When is it funny? So on and so forth. All I can say is that overall I think that we have been very lenient in certain areas and maybe more strict in others, but we are trying to find the happy medium that makes this a fun site to visit. If we were to be Nazi mods, as was suggested earlier, then I don't think that we would have many members that would want to return. On the other hand, we don't wan't to be too lenient because my goal and I'm sure the goal of the other mods is that VGChartz should be a place where someone can come to have an intelligent and sometimes relatively heated debate without things descending into immature trolling. As I said above, it's all about us finding the happy medium which is easier said than done. We are always open for suggestions and will take them into consideration.


suggestions? only one.

discretion, which is what the mod team is alreay doing. the medium yields the same results as over moding, and under moding and that's unhappy members.

so mods just do wht you can. it's not black and white, and intent blurs the lines of funny and trolling, and you want to be fair, and not harp on harmless post while being vigilant.

what a job!! that blured line is why i couldn't do the job.

So in other words we can't make anyone happy by doing anything?  That's good to know.  :p

that's right you got it.play by ear, although i'm sure that's wht the team is already doing. no better advice then that

you should create a banner that says (amps are forever) in it. i started saying that when you became a mod knowing you wouldn't change. just a good friend with a tough job.



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GameAnalyser on 15 December 2012
Carl2291 said:
I disagree.

Its not that there are too many trolls, its that people are too thin-skinned, paranoid and get offended at the least little thing. This site has always been this way. Its been far worse than how it is now.

One thing that makes VGChartz forums far worse than many other forums is the competitive nature of the site. Its about sales. Cold, hard numbers. Naturally, this brings in the fanboys and threads get trashed either way. Be it a Halo thread, a Mario thread or a Gran Turismo thread.

I also think that we could do with another couple of active moderators.


I had a signature removed and I didn't know. Being banned for weeks would've been better. I would've been happy as well with another set of active moderators.



Carl on 15 December 2012
theprof00 said:

Can we stop picking on Spurge?

Nobody is picking on him. At least, Im not anyway.

Firstly, spurgeonryan is all lower-case. Secondly, the discussion was about spelling. Linking him to a guideline is hardly "picking on" him. Same goes for giving him advice. If Id have jumped on him and told him to fuck off to GAF... That would have been picking on him.

And so we return to my point about thin skinned people.