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Mmmfishtacos on 15 December 2012
happydolphin said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
happydolphin said:
spurgeonryan said:
Shit! If you guys knew how many times I go through my posts to fix autofill or touch screen problems. On top of that it is not like I can just easily go to tootle on my cell to see if a word is spelled right. Its a new world. No American gives a Shit about the English language. Just like no one gives a Shit about trolls. If everyone agreed with everything life would be boring and easy. There would be no need for elections or multiple home Televisions. Because everyone agrees.

We don't need to agree to have an intelligent conversation Ryan. You know that.

Also, I'm personally Canadian, and I care about spelling, I think it shows a level of intelligence that, for anyone capable of spelling (yes, I know you are), is an important step towards showing good will and interest in the conversation. It forsters healthy debate.

If noone gave a shit about trolls, why is this thread already at some 20 posts?

You're not seeing clearly.


I'm a horrible speller. And it has nothing to do with intelligence. Sometimes, people like me go the first 8 years of their life not hearing correctly and spell like the hear. I had speech class and everything when I was little, but the spelling never changed and my ears never truly got corrected till i was nearly 13. Even till this day i still have a hard time with spelling and spell better on a keyboard. Due mostly to mussel memory. Get me in front of a pen and it's all down hill again. So in short, spelling ability isn't directly linked to intelligence and you can see why it ticks me off a little when people confuse the two.

Of course there are exception cases. But in general, that's what it is. Is being unintelligent a bad thing even? Maybe it isn't.

But someone who IS intelligent and acts stupidly (troll) is where the problem is.

Hence, knowing how to spell and not putting the effort to is a bad practice imho.

Esp., did you miss the part where Spurge knows how to spell, and is running off a mobile? He could spell better, he isn't putting in the effort to. It's just a minor example of a much bigger problem: ie people not putting the effort to make posts that are of value and spur intelligent debate.

Of course some threads can be more light-hearted, but there needs to be a balance. At least, where there is intelligent debate, I hope people go in with a more proactive attitude, personally.


I did catch that part, but i just wanted to point out your correlation between spelling and intelligent not being true. You also have to realize this is the internet and a forum post. It's not like writing a letter or even an essay. And mobile devices kill grammar and spelling quite often. So much so that I don't normally post on them.

On topic. There's a lot of trolling on all sides. But the Vita got the bigger piece. And Wii U is starting the catch it now, but will not escalate to PSV levels of hate. I'm not sure anything can be done about it. People have opinions. Right or wrong, it would be nice if they kept quite about most of them tho.



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happydolphin on 15 December 2012
Mmmfishtacos said:

I did catch that part, but i just wanted to point out your correlation between spelling and intelligent not being true. You also have to realize this is the internet and a forum post. It's not like writing a letter or even an essay. And mobile devices kill grammar and spelling quite often. So much so that I don't normally post on them.

On topic. There's a lot of trolling on all sides. But the Vita got the bigger piece. And Wii U is starting the catch it now, but will not escalate to PSV levels of hate. I'm not sure anything can be done about it. People have opinions. Right or wrong, it would be nice if they kept quite about most of them tho.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the spelling thing, I believe it does give an indicator of intelligence. If you're struggling with spelling but are putting in the effort, there's no harm done. But if you can spell and aren't doing it, purposefully or nonchallantly, then there's a problem. But let's just agree to disagree.

I agree with your second part, the Vita did get the bigger piece, and it was heavy on all sides as usual. But lately, it just feels like the vast majority of posts are trolling or full of fanboyism. Like Carl said, maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but if there is an issue, we as a community need to do something about it.

Aielyn and cirio gave some advice, it'll help. Maybe the trick is to not care and seek out users you believe you can have intelligent dialogue with, and put an effort to not pay attention to those who are really just there to serve their own agendas.



mhsillen on 15 December 2012

Not much trolling here, go read any ESPN board and after showering come back and be pleasantly surprised



dahuman on 15 December 2012
man-bear-pig said:
dahuman said:
what's a troll?


A mythical, cave-dwelling creature depicted in folklore as either a giant or a dwarf, typically having a very ugly appearance.


ZOMG you mean a troll is actually Al Gore?!??!?!?!? :O



Mmmfishtacos on 15 December 2012
happydolphin said:
Mmmfishtacos said:

I did catch that part, but i just wanted to point out your correlation between spelling and intelligent not being true. You also have to realize this is the internet and a forum post. It's not like writing a letter or even an essay. And mobile devices kill grammar and spelling quite often. So much so that I don't normally post on them.

On topic. There's a lot of trolling on all sides. But the Vita got the bigger piece. And Wii U is starting the catch it now, but will not escalate to PSV levels of hate. I'm not sure anything can be done about it. People have opinions. Right or wrong, it would be nice if they kept quite about most of them tho.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the spelling thing, I believe it does give an indicator of intelligence. If you're struggling with spelling but are putting in the effort, there's no harm done. But if you can spell and aren't doing it, purposefully or nonchallantly, then there's a problem. But let's just agree to disagree.

I agree with your second part, the Vita did get the bigger piece, and it was heavy on all sides as usual. But lately, it just feels like the vast majority of posts are trolling or full of fanboyism. Like Carl said, maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but if there is an issue, we as a community need to do something about it.

Aielyn and cirio gave some advice, it'll help. Maybe the trick is to not care and seek out users you believe you can have intelligent dialogue with, and put an effort to not pay attention to those who are really just there to serve their own agendas.

Agreed. Another thing that doesn't help this site is the N4G ticker at the bottom and the re post that happen on the forums. "WiiU worst console of all times", "Sony's Ps4 could lose to the next xbox before it's even released". How are threads like this going to bring anything but trolling? Personally I would like to see N4G removed from this site and the repeat threads as well.



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Roma on 15 December 2012

the more you fight trolls the bigger and stronger they get and then they reproduce more trolls!

the only way to fight them is not to fight them at all and let them die!



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 15 December 2012
happydolphin said:
amp316 said:
I know that trolling was much worse it 2007-8, but that's not the issue. While I do agree with what Carl said about people needing a thicker skin, there definitely have been more problems recently due to trolling because of fanboyism. The Vita's initial sales have been less than stellar to put it nicely and certain Nintendo fans jumped all over it. Now the Wii U has released and it's first couple of weeks haven't been that great so certain Sony fans jump all over it. You can trace things back further and say stuff like Nintendo fans jumped on the Sony fans about the Vita because certain Sony fans scoffed at the initial 3DS sales and there's always the Sony vs. Microsoft thing, but the root of the problem is fanboyism. Most gamers favor one company over another and there is no problem in that. The problem is when they refuse to see how anyone else can see anything good in their favorite gaming company's competitors so they ridicule them. In conclusion, the sudden influx of trolling has happened because new systems have been released. Expect things to get even more heated when the next Playstation and XBox are released (if that's indeed what they are going to be called).

Now about what the moderators can do... As TADS stated earlier in this thread, the mod team has been working very hard together behind the scenes by having discussions about what is acceptable and what is not and there isn't always a black and white answer for everything. Stealth trolling, for example, is very much in the grey area so to speak. When does it cross the line? When is it funny? So on and so forth. All I can say is that overall I think that we have been very lenient in certain areas and maybe more strict in others, but we are trying to find the happy medium that makes this a fun site to visit. If we were to be Nazi mods, as was suggested earlier, then I don't think that we would have many members that would want to return. On the other hand, we don't wan't to be too lenient because my goal and I'm sure the goal of the other mods is that VGChartz should be a place where someone can come to have an intelligent and sometimes relatively heated debate without things descending into immature trolling. As I said above, it's all about us finding the happy medium which is easier said than done. We are always open for suggestions and will take them into consideration.

Thanks Amp.

I'm thinking, even if there is no trolling, do you think it's important that when debates get heated, that it's important for the health of the forum for people to be mature about it?

I know personally I have a hard time keeping a cool head. How does that factor into the equation? This is something I'd personally like to talk about.

Even if I'm not flaming per se, I know I'm being aggressive or hostile and it's bad. What's your view on that?

first off. typos/grammar mistakes happen all the time, and i've likely been(as Seece would lead you to believe) the worse offender over the past 2 yr.'s., but i've explained my reasons for 90% of my mistakes other then just plan human error.

this isn't to you HPD. it's just elaborating on the topic of typos.

OT: MATURE? now that's the key word. it's a balance not easily kept. i'd like to think of most trolling/flaming as part of the emotional process of defending, debating, feeling the user, member, or person isn't listening, being rational, or the person your talking to is just plan wrong.

it's not that/how alot of trolling is being done? it's why, and what part of a conversation lead up to that point. there is no excuse for it. you know a debate/conversation can get heated. but it's best to know when to walk away. the facts speak for themselves, and who ever isn't geting, even with the facts infront of them. just know you've wasted your time, but most trolling is intentional and should always be reported, but i'm reporting no one.

i'm to blind and irrational not to just ignore it or let it go, and i know most of us have that same problem.



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Turkish on 15 December 2012

I wholeheartedly agree with Carl. I don't think there is much trollin goin on. People get offended way too quickly.



happydolphin on 15 December 2012
Turkish said:
I wholeheartedly agree with Carl. I don't think there is much trollin goin on. People get offended way too quickly.

I agree that people get offended way too quickly, and that includes all of us, but I get the sense that some who are saying this are just saying that to quell suspicion, where suspicion could be good if there truly is a problem.



Roma on 15 December 2012

lol so we have 20 trolls that voted no?



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