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man-bear-pig said:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=149461

This is a duplicate thread and it should be locked. Also, the only way is not up from here...the only way is down. Android marketshare is the highest it will ever be right now. iPhone will dominate this Christmas and then WP's like the Lumia 920 will eat away at its marketshare next year.

Also, I'll post what I said in the original thread...

My granny has an Android phone. Do you know why? Because it costed £7.50.

The entire Android OS is garbage, the overwhelming majority of people only buy them because they're dirt cheap.

 


Android Os is by far the most powerful phone OS.  The only issue is the amount of junk in the app store and the difficulty in wading through it, although quick codes resolve those issues.



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pezus said:
man-bear-pig said:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=149461

This is a duplicate thread and it should be locked. Also, the only way is not up from here...the only way is down. Android marketshare is the highest it will ever be right now. iPhone will dominate this Christmas and then WP's like the Lumia 920 will eat away at its marketshare next year.

Also, I'll post what I said in the original thread...

My granny has an Android phone. Do you know why? Because it costed £7.50.

The entire Android OS is garbage, the overwhelming majority of people only buy them because they're dirt cheap.

Do you even lift?


No, this is clearly not a duplicate thread man bear.

Also, your whole post is based on made up facts. Android will dominate this christmas over iOS...WP8 will take years to establish itself as a significant player.

Your granny is a liar.


Reported for calling my granny a liar.



pezus said:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-market-share-2012-11

 

Android's dominance of the global smartphone is getting out of hand. 

New data from IDC says Android owned 75 percent of the smartphone market in the third quarter of 2012. Apple was a distant second with 14.9 percent of the market.

Android's unit shipments nearly doubled on a year over year basis, growing 91 percent. Apple was up 57 percent. Android is taking share from BlackBerry, Symbian, Linux, and others. 

Thus far, Android's incredible rise has had little impact on Apple's financial performance. It's still printing money. It's the world's most valuable company.

But, Tim Cook has to be worried that his company has become a niche player in the biggest global computing market.

Here's a table breaking it down:

 


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That is incredible growth rate for Android. Will only be bigger from here.

 

Thing is, the vast majority of the Android phones sold are junk that the biggest Android fans would never touch...  They're cheap, but serve a purpose as a basic phone that will play some apps.  We're not comparings Apple to Apples here though ;) 

btw... Which do you think sold better...The Ford Escort or Rolls-Royce?



wvelting said:

Thing is, the vast majority of the Android phones sold are junk that the biggest Android fans would never touch...  They're cheap, but serve a purpose as a basic phone that will play some apps.  We're not comparings Apple to Apples here though ;) 

btw... Which do you think sold better...The Ford Escort or Rolls-Royce?

The most selling Android phones are Galaxy S3-S2-S-Note-Note 2, HTC One X-One S etc. Yes there are lots of cheap phones too which also sell a lot, which is another beauty of Android, there is a device for everyone.



kowenicki said:
pezus said:
wvelting said:

Thing is, the vast majority of the Android phones sold are junk that the biggest Android fans would never touch...  They're cheap, but serve a purpose as a basic phone that will play some apps.  We're not comparings Apple to Apples here though ;) 

btw... Which do you think sold better...The Ford Escort or Rolls-Royce?

How this matters though is in terms of app support from developers. If they see Android is dominating the market, they will of course start focusing more on that space than in the past. 

 

Android does have difficulties though doesn't it.  Be interesting to see revenue breakdown for developers from android v iOS.  I think iOS and W8 is where developers will want to be.  Uniformity is attractive. 

From what I see, WP7 wasn't that attractive to those developers.



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kowenicki said:
pezus said:
wvelting said:

Thing is, the vast majority of the Android phones sold are junk that the biggest Android fans would never touch...  They're cheap, but serve a purpose as a basic phone that will play some apps.  We're not comparings Apple to Apples here though ;) 

btw... Which do you think sold better...The Ford Escort or Rolls-Royce?

How this matters though is in terms of app support from developers. If they see Android is dominating the market, they will of course start focusing more on that space than in the past. 

 

Android does have difficulties though doesn't it.  Be interesting to see revenue breakdown for developers from android v iOS.  I think iOS and W8 is where developers will want to be.  Uniformity is attractive. 

I was a mobile developer.  More and more companies were asking for Android version of their apps, and considering the way you develop for Android you can actually do sneaky business things to get more money from clients, charge per screen dpi, charge per phone, etc.  Now as far as user apps go, I'm not too sure as I haven't had to build any on Android and charge the users for it.



CChaos said:

It's uncanny...

Think back to the mid-80s for a moment. This is history repeating itself.

Macintosh in those days had an OS that they more or less locked down and only allowed specific individuals to really make stuff for it if they got a hold of a license. It's not the same these days, as you can program for it at people's leisure, but back then it was NOT easy to make programs for Macs. With iOS, every program needs to be accepted to their standards and must go through their screening process.

Meanwhile, you have Android. They are the IBM and onward PCs that were more or less open source and you could do whatever the hell you want with. People program for it, go the route they want and nothing really stops it. No screening process that needs to be gone through. In turn, Android is growing at an alarming rate and is absolutely owning the market share. Macs today still barely manage 10% market share in the desktop and laptop computer market. iPhones are doing slightly better, but not by very much.

People draw the analogy to the 80s but it's a flawed one for a few reasons.

1. Consumers are driving the phone market. Unlike the 80s PC revolution, businesses are not driving the mobile phone market. That means Apple's closed system will not be nearly the burden it was during the early PC days. The average consumer doesn't need the flexibility found in enterprise, which was one of Apple's downfalls in the 80s.

2. Apple is more profitable today and developers are reaping the benefits of it Thanks to Apple's ecosystem, the average iPhone consumer spends more money on apps than his Android brethren. That negates much of Android's advantage in pure numbers and instills confidence in developers that if they make a quality app and sell it for $5 in the App Store, it WILL sell copies.

3. Unlike Windows, Android is not a traditional competitor to iOS. Google makes no money from Android itself and comparitively speaking, not much from the Play Store. They're pushing services. As a result, they don't care about manufacturers skinning their devices, changing UIs, adding bloatware, or refusing to install Google services at all. This has led to an increasingly fragmented eco-system, with hardware capabilities, UIs, operating systems, etc. scattered all over the place. It will take a few years to sort out whether this is going to do long-term damage to Android or whether Google will be able to push through it into an arena where fragmentation is no longer an issue.

Time will tell how this plays out but anything more than a cursory glance shows that it is VERY different from the PC war of the mid 80s and early 90s.




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Apple increased this sales selling $500 iPhones in 57%... AMAZING.

I need to see a research using just high-end smartphones (over $300).



I have to say I got my Wife a new phone yesterday for her birthday tommorrow.

The Sony Xperia U. She wanted the phone and I got it. Its a really awesome pone actually. Very impressed with Sony here. Runs Android really smoothly. Missing a few features I want but a great phone.



It is great to see open software dominating the mobile platform, long may it continue.

Comparing Android to iOS isn't really fair though. They are far, far more accessible so any broke-arsed kid can afford one.

Fragmentation makes the aps a nightmare and unless you own a samsung or such they never work well. I know from experience.

The saying "Apple is for the rich" has a degree of truth in it. The rich have a lot more money to "waste" on aps.

Given a choice I would rather have shares in Apple's ridiculously profitable niche market over android even if android sold 2 billion units.

Toyota sells far more cars than Daimler but which car would I rather own or have shares with?