The thread is more about pushing factually wrong articles than the numbers as a whole.

Although the problems you mentioned with PS3 and PSV certainly do need to be fixed. That Vita one has been mentioned quite a lot, though its the first Ive heard about the PS3.

Youd be surprised. The numbers/article have been posted on a lot of sites and forums.

I might make another thread on the Vita/PS3 issues tonight if I have the time. Shouldnt take too long.

Well played. I agree that, at some point, this will actually be true. But for now, it is not.

Vgcharts should become a place where you can find "official" facts about sales, and a place where people can discuss these facts. Tracking inaccuracies and the frequent adjustments make weekly "worldwide up" discussions moot, except for the Japanese numbers. Add digital sales (they matter) to the mix and you figure out the rest...

Now, PS2 vs DS , this thread has my full support. but on another note, why are people even comparing?

Handhelds =/= consoles. If you are going to eliminate the boundaries between the two then you just might as well throw the iPhone in the mix because software/hardware wise, it has done a much better job than the PSP.

No. VGChartz as a site is good for what it is. Digital sales are too difficult to track on a large scale and the estimations we get are usually pretty accurate. Adjustments will always happen when more accurate data comes through, so this isnt a problem neither.

Again, this thread isnt primarily about the tracking. Its more about how an article that is evidently wrong has been pushed out as fact using VGChartz dated estimates and the harm this could/will have to the credibility of the numbers here.

VGChartz as a site has done extremely well in the last few Years. Theyre being sourced on plenty of stuff. When this is proven to be wrong though it would be like "2 steps forward, 1 step back".

I think that looks worse, than just saying. "We're wrong." They've said that they extrapolate the numbers as a whole from a small samples size. Inherently their data is going to be wrong from time to time. And from time to time, appear that there are more units sold then shipped, and other weird impossible things. 

But, to not admit mistakes when concrete data (like the vita when known, or in this case ps2), and instead try to cover it up. Imo brings the opinion that VGchartz is just pulling all their data out of the butt.

I don't think that is the case. I think they're extrapolating the data, and it's wrong from time to time. But "fix" numbers as you said, instead of just correcting numbers when more concrete is obtained from other sources.

Yep. And it was sitting at 155.1 Million at the end of March.

The PS2 has shipped over 157 Million units, while the numbers here are stating it has sold less than 154 Million.

Using the method I proposed earlier in the thread, I think it would be safe to say that there should have been ~450k in supply at the end of September? Or am I way off?

Vgchartz do still track the PS2's numbers - TrunksWD said so himself.



Therefore, the article about the Nintendo DS becoming the highest selling console of all time was CORRECT.

/thread.

Ok, I went over this and here is what we need to figure out: the past trends (in bold). How would we find these numbers, are the PS2 shipment numbers listed in a thread on vgchartz or in some external source?

man-bear-pig said: Vgchartz do still track the PS2's numbers - TrunksWD said so himself. Therefore, the article about the Nintendo DS becoming the highest selling console of all time was CORRECT. /thread.

Even if they do, back when they publicly tracked PS2 sales they were always horrendously inaccurate.  Undertracked by millions year after year.  Don't know why that would change now when the vast majority of PS2 sales probably come from places where they get no data.

And while we are on the topic of credibility, have they ever explained how the PS1 sold more than it manufactured?