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Good

  • Pokemon + Metroid is a fairly strong holiday lineup for a platform on its 9th calendar year.
  • Multi-platform support is going well, with many games being supported on both NS and NS2
  • Tomodach Life and Rhythm Heaven are the sorts of games that can get by with just a Switch version

Bad

  • Holiday lineup lacks a major killer app for the Switch 2. A Warriors game and Kirby racing spinoff are NOT killer apps on par with Super Mario (2D or 3D), Mario Kart, Legend of Zelda, etc. 
  • Higher game prices are largely NOT being justified beyond "it's inflation bro" excuses. Inflation and higher resolution should not make a $20 Wii game cost $40.

Other

  • I don't know how I feel about these $10 or $20 "upgrades," and don't want to give my opinion until I actually get a Switch 2.
  • I understand that price cuts don't happen anymore, but feel that it might have been worth giving one to the Switch just to sell some games to people not willing to spend $300 on a console.
  • The best comparison to this year would be 2017's Holiday lineup. Both 2017 and 2025 have a Nintendo Warriors spinoff, a new-but-old-gen Pokemon game, old-gen Metroid, etc. If anything, 2017 is the better year overall (Super Mario Odyssey, Pokemon USUM, Metroid: Samus Returns, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, etc).

I dunno, maybe 6/10?



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Otter said:
zorg1000 said:

Some of the complaints about first party lineup, I find laughable. “No big Mario or Zelda for the holiday!â€Â Or “too many cross-gen titles!â€Â

Not having a specific game you want in the first year is not a valid complaint about their transition strategy.

Also, cross-gen is just the way the industry is now, Xbox & PlayStation were getting many high profile cross-gen first party titles years into this generation.

In the past Nintendo actually delayed games to coincide with a transition to a new platform to give it more oomph, so it is a valid talking point. 

Cross gen equally is a select choice which people can be critical off. Particularly as the huge gulf between Switch and Switch 2 is similar to that of PS3 > PS4 and we did not see much cross gen in regards to 1st party. Specific to one of Curls questions actually, I think a game like Metroid Prime 4 should have been built for Switch 2 in mind from the very conception and really taken advantage of its full feature set. For me it's missing such a standout 1st party title which gets me excited about the potential for the system, particularly for the kind of games I will go on to play (Zelda, Xenoblade etc)

looking back at the PS4's reveal Killzone looked so beautiful and Infamous Second Son still looks gorgeous. These were PS4 launch window games, so again I think there's a bit of wow factor missing from the 1st party offering although DK's destruction is very cool so I'll give them marks for that.





I suspect Metroid on S2 will outsell the S1 version 2:1 anyway but would of been nice for it to properly look the part, figured it would also create more hype for the game too

Switch 2 literally launched with Mario Kart and had 3D Donkey Kong by the 3D Mario team 6 weeks later, no complaint about lack of big 1st party games is valid. By comparison, Switch 1 launched with a cross-gen title as its system seller and followed it up with an updated port as the first major post-launch release.

Where the industry was at in 2012/2013 when XBO/PS4 launches were being prepared isn’t relevant, since that time the industry has moved on to have many major releases be cross-gen. PS did it with God of War & Horizon, Xbox did it with Halo & Forza, most 3rd parties have done the same.

Metroid Prime 4 was announced in June 2017, it had troubled development and Retro took over and started over in January 2019. It being made for the ground up for Switch 2 makes absolutely no sense.

Last edited by zorg1000 - on 23 September 2025

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zorg1000 said:

Switch 2 literally launched with Mario Kart and had 3D Donkey Kong by the 3D Mario team 6 weeks later, no complaint about lack of big 1st party games is valid. By comparison, Switch 1 launched with a cross-gen title as its system seller and followed it up with an updated port as the first major post-launch release.

Where the industry was at in 2012/2013 when XBO/PS4 launches were being prepared isn’t relevant, since that time the industry has moved on to have many major releases be cross-gen. PS did it with God of War & Horizon, Xbox did it with Halo & Forza, most 3rd parties have done the same.

Metroid Prime 4 was announced in June 2017, it had troubled development and Retro took over and started over in January 2019. It being made for the ground up for Switch 2 makes absolutely no sense.

I don't think you're actually trying to grasps the points being presented. Starting back to front.

No Metroid Prime being re-developed for S2 wouldn't make "no sense" since it already restarted development and by 2019 Nintendo would have already known plans for their next-gen system. Do you think Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart Started development the same year the PS5 was announced? Next gen games begin their life well before a system is announced of course. As I mentioned I suspect the audience of the game will mostly be found on S2, I think its sales potential would be even high if it looked like a game built around the systems specs. Nothing nonsensical about that and it's not something which can be quantify. Not only that but this is also my preference which is subjective, I think something which some of you forget because you're too busy arguing instead of having discussions

Regarding cross gen, you're ignoring the logic why it became the industry norm. It's not just a trend, its a technical characteristic of diminishing returns and scalable engines. Hency why we didn't see much AAA support for Switch 1 whereas were seeing it a lot for S2.

Nintendo opted out of Cross gen for several of their titles where they instead focused on scope/scale that S1 wouldn't be able to deal with. As I said, it is a "choice" where and when cross gen is applied and subsequently that choice is subject to criticism. A game like Metroid could of been made for the S2. Hell even Pokemon ZA could of been made for the S2 exclusively. The latter wouldn't of sold as well, but that doesn't need to be the center of anyones preference.

As far as offerings I never said there were no "big" 1st party games, what I actually said...

"I think there's a bit of wow factor missing from the 1st party offering"

"Metroid Prime 4 should have been built for Switch 2 in mind from the very conception and really taken advantage of its full feature set. For me it's missing such a standout 1st party"

I was talking about a technical showcase which is immediately distinguishable from S1. This rounds of with probably the most important point which is that some of you forget the purpose of many threads is to offer personal opinion and subjectivity. You can run around saying "Invalid" but that's just your opinion lol


Last edited by Otter - on 23 September 2025

One thing Nintendo has shown is that the interpretations of a “bad transition” you see on YouTube and some social media people are really just bad interpretations.
Some of these sorts claimed Nintendo was under-supplying.
Others claimed they were over-pricing.
Both of these groups have been profoundly discredited by the facts. Those in both groups double-so.

As it stands, Nintendo is currently sitting on both the fastest and the best supplied high-demand console launch in gaming history. You can reasonably conclude the console was priced correctly according to demand → it would be unreasonable to claim otherwise at this point since it goes against the facts of high sales, high demand, and high supply.

Additionally, the intergenerational backward compatibility is the best Nintendo has ever done. I hope they keep this up.



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Personally, I feel like Prime 4 and Legends Z-A being crossgen makes logical sense, as the former needs to sell as much as it can to recoup its troubled development and was announced as a Switch 1 game already, and there's still a huge base of Switch 1 players who need something to play this holiday. 

That said, it was also the right choice in my view to release Mario Kart/DK/Kirby/Hyrule Warriors/etc as exclusives, so encourage people to upgrade and to do stuff that would've been hard to pull off on the last gen system like MK's open world and DK's destructibility. 

It's also nice to see a Nintendo platform not get dropped like a hot potato the moment it's successor arrives. (or even before)



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curl-6 said:

Personally, I feel like Prime 4 and Legends Z-A being crossgen makes logical sense, as the former needs to sell as much as it can to recoup its troubled development and was announced as a Switch 1 game already, and there's still a huge base of Switch 1 players who need something to play this holiday.

Here's the thing with the two cross gen releases: (i) Metroid Prime 4 is an identical situation to BotW and Twilight Princess. It was promised for Nintendo Switch (and Wii (resp.)) all the way back in 2017 (and 2004 (resp.)), and Nintendo is following through. (That and I cannot imagine Retro is doing great financially, having not released an original title since Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and having scrapped a game that was in development for several years. The addition of the Switch 1 userbase probably helps the higher-ups and devs sleep at night.) (ii) Pokémon never releases exclusively on a system with a small installbase. Often Game Freak will hold off an extra year or two before releasing on a new Nintendo system. (And that's not even mentioning the fact that Legends Z-A is not a mainline entry, but a spinoff.)

That said, I don't anticipate we'll see many more cross gen releases besides Tomadachi Life and Rhythm Heaven.



firebush03 said:
curl-6 said:

Personally, I feel like Prime 4 and Legends Z-A being crossgen makes logical sense, as the former needs to sell as much as it can to recoup its troubled development and was announced as a Switch 1 game already, and there's still a huge base of Switch 1 players who need something to play this holiday.

Here's the thing with the two cross gen releases: (i) Metroid Prime 4 is an identical situation to BotW and Twilight Princess. It was promised for Nintendo Switch (and Wii (resp.)) all the way back in 2017 (and 2004 (resp.)), and Nintendo is following through. (That and I cannot imagine Retro is doing great financially, having not released an original title since Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and having scrapped a game that was in development for several years. The addition of the Switch 1 userbase probably helps the higher-ups and devs sleep at night.) (ii) Pokémon never releases exclusively on a system with a small installbase. Often Game Freak will hold off an extra year or two before releasing on a new Nintendo system. (And that's not even mentioning the fact that Legends Z-A is not a mainline entry, but a spinoff.)

That said, I don't anticipate we'll see many more cross gen releases besides Tomadachi Life and Rhythm Heaven.

Yeah Nintendo would piss off a lot of people if they told those who'd been waiting for Prime 4 since it was announced for Switch 1 over eight years ago that "lol, you have to buy a Switch 2 to play it, tough luck."

And yeah, I expect that any first party game announced from here on will be a Switch 2 exclusive, with Tomodachi Life or Rhythm Heaven (whichever comes out last) being the swan song for Switch 1 Nintendo support.



RedKingXIII said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Switch 2 has been a pretty big screw up so far. People have complained about the prices the most, but I actually think the game key cards are even worse. Nintendo is harming their reputation with people on these two things. Mario Kart looks like a good game, but that's the only one.  There isn't a lot of reason to buy a Switch 2.

It's true that Switch 2 sales have been strong so far, but I think they are benefitting from all of the positive good will created by the Switch. This launch reminds me of the negative missteps of the 3DS and Wii U. Obviously those two systems sold very differently from each other, but neither one sold nearly as well as their predecessor. I don't know what Switch 2's lifetime sales will be, but I don't think it's going to come close to the Switch. They are creating too much bad will with their customer base right now.

Why are we still listening to internet complaints after the launch of the Switch 2? With so much negativity surrounding it you'd think the thing would tank, but no, it was a record breaking launch lol

The same thing keeps happening. Internet cries about thing and it sells fine. We really need to stop listening to these enthusiast bubbles because they're just that, enthusiast bubbles.

By this point the Wii U was already dead and Nintendo needed to cut the 3DS price by 1/3 to save it. Meanwhile the Switch 2 is still selling ok. These are nothing alike.

Because that is the point of this thread.  The OP asked for everyone's opinion.  I could ask, "Why ask for people's opinions if you aren't allowed to disagree with the majority of posters here?"

You are the one who is actually in the bubble.  Bubbles get created when you don't allow people to have a different opinion.

zorg1000 said:
firebush03 said:

Mario Odyssey and BotW alone are enough to carry Switch over Switch 2 IMO. That's an insane duo to drop in a single year. Switch 2 has had a very solid start, though!

Sure, those are major releases, my issue is people counting BotW as a major Switch title despite being cross-gen while simultaneously discounting Pokemon Legends or Metroid Prime because they are cross-gen.

It is very reasonable to count BotW as a major Switch title while discounting Pokemon Legends for Switch 2.  That is because with cross-gen titles you have to consider the other system people might play the game on.  Since few people owned the Wii U, most people just bought a Switch to play BotW.  On the other hand, people don't have to buy a Switch 2 to play Pokemon Legends.  Most Pokemon fans already have a Switch.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
RedKingXIII said:

Why are we still listening to internet complaints after the launch of the Switch 2? With so much negativity surrounding it you'd think the thing would tank, but no, it was a record breaking launch lol

The same thing keeps happening. Internet cries about thing and it sells fine. We really need to stop listening to these enthusiast bubbles because they're just that, enthusiast bubbles.

By this point the Wii U was already dead and Nintendo needed to cut the 3DS price by 1/3 to save it. Meanwhile the Switch 2 is still selling ok. These are nothing alike.

Because that is the point of this thread.  The OP asked for everyone's opinion.  I could ask, "Why ask for people's opinions if you aren't allowed to disagree with the majority of posters here?"

You are the one who is actually in the bubble.  Bubbles get created when you don't allow people to have a different opinion.

zorg1000 said:

Sure, those are major releases, my issue is people counting BotW as a major Switch title despite being cross-gen while simultaneously discounting Pokemon Legends or Metroid Prime because they are cross-gen.

It is very reasonable to count BotW as a major Switch title while discounting Pokemon Legends for Switch 2.  That is because with cross-gen titles you have to consider the other system people might play the game on.  Since few people owned the Wii U, most people just bought a Switch to play BotW.  On the other hand, people don't have to buy a Switch 2 to play Pokemon Legends.  Most Pokemon fans already have a Switch.

No, the install base of the previous console does not determine whether a cross-gen title is a major release.

What determines if a title is major is its sales potential and ability to move hardware.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

The_Liquid_Laser said:
RedKingXIII said:

Why are we still listening to internet complaints after the launch of the Switch 2? With so much negativity surrounding it you'd think the thing would tank, but no, it was a record breaking launch lol

The same thing keeps happening. Internet cries about thing and it sells fine. We really need to stop listening to these enthusiast bubbles because they're just that, enthusiast bubbles.

By this point the Wii U was already dead and Nintendo needed to cut the 3DS price by 1/3 to save it. Meanwhile the Switch 2 is still selling ok. These are nothing alike.

Because that is the point of this thread. The OP asked for everyone's opinion. I could ask, "Why ask for people's opinions if you aren't allowed to disagree with the majority of posters here?"

You are the one who is actually in the bubble. Bubbles get created when you don't allow people to have a different opinion.

Huh?

I never said "don't give your opinion", my point is the opinions you're seeing on the internet aren't relevant for the success of the Switch 2 at all.