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Is Maduro's government legit?

Yes, he won legit 0 0%
 
No, it was stolen 11 100.00%
 
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Well, since I live in a Country slowly, but surely, being destroyed, maybe I'm not the best person to talk about other countries' situation. But that's bugging me for a while.

Back last year, we had elections in Venezuela, and almost everything was pointing for Maduro's defeat after over a decade commanding Venezuela. I was following the live results almost certain that Maduro were going to lose. People from Venezuela were excited for the results... Suddenly, some "weird things" happened, and after everything being "solved", a guy came to the public and said something like: "Well, Maduro won". End of story.

A lot of people, me included, didn't bought that story. We all can see that Venezuela is facing a crisis, and it's weird what happened. I mean, it's kinda unbelievable that after the venezuelan people take the streets, showing the world the situation of the country, protesting and even destroying Maduro's reputation would just vote for him again.

Today, Maduro seems to be in a lot of trouble, since... Well, based on what I see, the whole world, aside from a few selective countries, are against his government, even pointing that he "stole" the last elections to stay on power. I don't think he's going to stay up for long.

What do you think? Is his government legit?



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Fair elections are a scale, from 0 of total show with only one candidate anyway to 10 as best system ever seen in history.
I'd say that by that scale you can call legitimate something above 6 or 7 and Maduro's win was closer to 4.

Whether there was actual forgery of results is hard to say. Even largest demonstrations aren't representative of whole nation. But I wouldn't be surprised if some votes were "lost/found".

Either way, I don't expect a change of regime anytime soon. My guess is Maduro will hold power till next decade, it's only a matter how ugly means that takes.



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People are against Ttumpnon this, I don't understand but only cause perhaps they don't know the situation since 2014 in the country, if they did they would support Trump on this.... I think. You were right but the details of how Maduro was taken out of power are stranger than fiction.



It's not that people don't want Maduro gone and Venezuela to have elections again, it's that Trump only kidnapped Maduro for oil. He's still backing the current regime hoping his follow up 'dictator' is easier to exploit.
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-rodriguez-touts-us-energy-cooperation-diplomacy-in-address-to-the-nation/
Looks like she is.

Trump didn't help Venezuela at all and only made things worse. Same as he's been stoking up tensions in Iran only to watch the protestors die.



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SvennoJ said:

It's not that people don't want Maduro gone and Venezuela to have elections again, it's that Trump only kidnapped Maduro for oil. He's still backing the current regime hoping his follow up 'dictator' is easier to exploit.
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-rodriguez-touts-us-energy-cooperation-diplomacy-in-address-to-the-nation/
Looks like she is.

Trump didn't help Venezuela at all and only made things worse. Same as he's been stoking up tensions in Iran only to watch the protestors die.

Tale as old as time. The USA ousts or backs the ousting of a dictator to get a dictator more U.S. and capital friendly.



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I support Trump disposing of the Venezuela leader... It's one of the rare occasions where I actually agree with the detestable pig that runs the USA currently.

I don't support the stealing of their resources as compensation however.

Hopefully Venezuela can push forth a proper democratic process and elect a competent leader that has the nation and it's peoples interests as a priority, it doesn't matter if that leader is conservative or progressive, they just need to prioritize the citizens and the nation... Currently over 80% of it's citizens live in poverty.
Venezuela has the potential to be highly developed and successful with the sheer scale of resources at it's disposal... I.E. Be like Norway.




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LegitHyperbole said:

People are against Ttumpnon this, I don't understand but only cause perhaps they don't know the situation since 2014 in the country, if they did they would support Trump on this.... I think. You were right but the details of how Maduro was taken out of power are stranger than fiction.

Maduro is bad. I don't really feel bad that he has been deposed. What will actually change now is a big question mark though. Seems the current government is just his stooges. Is this regime change or is this a hostage situation? Seems to me like Trump doesn't care about the suffering of the people of Venezuela as long as he can steal their resources, but that much is tbd.

On the other hand, what we saw is a President deciding to go to war without Congressional approval. That is profoundly dangerous. Congress exists as a check on the President's power and the Trump administration has been stripping back those checks at every opportunity. When one singular individual controls whether the country goes to war, we are treading on extremely dangerous ground. The people of Greenland undoubtedly feel that danger, but it is far from the limit of Trump's aspirations. When all is said and done, allowing any single person to maintain dictatorial control over our military is tremendously dangerous and is one of the clearest examples of this country's descent into dictatorship which should alarm every American (and pretty much everyone else too). 



It's hilarious Trump is petty enough to not allow Machado to be the puppet leader because she committed the crime of winning the Nobel Peace Prize over him, even after she handed him the trophy. He has to be one of the most self absorbed people to ever have lived, everything revolves around him. 



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It's hilarious Trump is petty enough to not allow Machado to be the puppet leader because she committed the crime of winning the Nobel Peace Prize over him, even after she handed him the trophy. He has to be one of the most self absorbed people to ever have lived, everything revolves around him. 

It's more business than pettiness. Trump doesn't want democracy, he wants dictators that work with him. Maduro wouldn't so he had to go. The VP so far is going along with Trump's wishes.

Same thing with Iran. They don't even talk about elections there but to reinstall the son of the shaw that was installed by the CIA/MI6 in 1953 to protect British oil interests. 

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