By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - Would you rather have the Switch or a powerful conventional Nintendo Home Console that competes with PS & Xbox?

 

Would you rather have the Switch or a powerful conventional Nintendo Home Console that competes with PS & Xbox?

Have a powerful conventio... 14 22.95%
 
Have the Switch as we know it today 47 77.05%
 
Total:61
curl-6 said:

Making two separate systems, one home console and one portable, just wasn't viable any more, even with Wii U and 3DS they weren't able to produce enough software for both.

A powerful new console and a next gen portable would've been even worse, and there's no way they'd give up their portable line and go all in on a home console alone when historically their portables have always sold more.

Unifying their product lines, as they did with Switch, was really the only viable path forwards.

You can do that, by haveing the homeconsole be the same as the handheld.

Just cut out the battery/joycons/screen ect...  boom... BOM is 100$ less.
Sell it cheap. The "home" version of the Switch, for the users that don't value the portability factor.
(this could also lead to double dipping, if they first get the home version, then realise they want to get a portable one)



Around the Network
JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

Making two separate systems, one home console and one portable, just wasn't viable any more, even with Wii U and 3DS they weren't able to produce enough software for both.

A powerful new console and a next gen portable would've been even worse, and there's no way they'd give up their portable line and go all in on a home console alone when historically their portables have always sold more.

Unifying their product lines, as they did with Switch, was really the only viable path forwards.

You can do that, by haveing the homeconsole be the same as the handheld.

Just cut out the battery/joycons/screen ect...  boom... BOM is 100$ less.
Sell it cheap. The "home" version of the Switch, for the users that don't value the portability factor.
(this could also lead to double dipping, if they first get the home version, then realise they want to get a portable one)

A home version of the Switch would be fine, as I said in my post I was referring a powerful new console as the thread posits.



Absent any business considerations and only accounting for personal preference, I'd rather have a powerful home console. While I do sometimes use my Switch undocked, I never take it out of the house, and I prefer to just use the Pro controller while playing on TV and getting the audio through my stereo system.

Could it compete? I don't know. We never really had a situation where we had three conventional consoles of comparable power on any kind of even footing market-wise. The last three-way race between consoles of comparable power was Gen 6, but the Xbox & GameCube never really stood a chance because the PS2 had already established itself as the dominant system before the others were even released. With Nintendo doing well and having a lot of goodwill in the present, I could see the potential for them to compete with PlayStation and probably easily surpass Xbox, but I doubt we'd see them put up anywhere close to Switch numbers. Nintendo has found a strong niche for themselves, so even if a conventional, powerful console from them was viable and would do well, they'll probably stay doing better with hybrid consoles. The window for putting forward a conventional console to compete with Sony & MS has probably already closed. Maybe in a different timeline where the N64 was CD-based they might still be making conventional consoles.



Visit http://shadowofthevoid.wordpress.com

Art by Hunter B

In accordance to the VGC forum rules, §8.5, I hereby exercise my right to demand to be left alone regarding the subject of the effects of the pandemic on video game sales (i.e., "COVID bump").

Nintendo could simple offer the Switch 2 innards in a small box for less money. Tablets are expensive and I do not want to pay for it, I am pro choice. I would not mind a Switch functioning as a gamepad though, that would be cool.

So I guess my answer is kind of a no to the question.



I already have a PS5, so I dont need another one like it. I dont really play the Switch much in handheld mode, but its still nice to have the option.



Around the Network

I made this thread before. Traditional home console. Doesn't have to compete just be closer so that going to Nintebdo games doesn't feel like going a generation back.



Considering how development on more high end graphical, scope creep games have been this generation so far, I think going for the conventional home console would've axed Nintendo completely because of lack resources and longer dev time to actually put out games to compete on the same foothold than the rest of the industry.

With the Switch, They now cornered a part of the game that values gaming but with it's portable nature to booth while revitalizing most of their IPs to the general public.

Anywoo, they need not to compete for factors that are arguably only give limited visibility or/and is only interesting for enthusiasts only(graphics, RT, 4K, etc ...)

As for personal matters, currently the hybrid natures doesn't serve me since I play mostly at home, but when I get a chance. You bet I'll my Switch with me. Hybrid versatility is just plain useful



Switch Friend Code : 3905-6122-2909 

Games, games, games.

I think Nintendo having portable and docked having the same games is the perfect way forward for their target audience. Even the current hardware is fine for the majority of games.

That said, if they had the option of a non-portable version of the Switch that would actually be pretty popular... Many people never undock theirs.



javi741 said:

However, it's been nearly a decade since these discussions and Nintendo again went down that route creating another underpowered "gimmicky" system that doesn't aim to compete with PS/Xbox with the Switch. With the Switch proving a lot of those wrong who said the only way Nintendo could be successful is to create a conventional system. With the Switch on pace to become the greatest selling console of all time, it seems like this underpowered gimmicky route Nintendo took was highly positive in the eyes of millions of Switch owners.

Well, first off I think you are fundamentally wrong in describing the Switch as an "underpowered gimmicky system". It isn't that at all. With the Wii they purposefully chose to focus on a new way to play games instead of power. They absolutely could have made the Wii as powerful as the PS360. Instead they chose to make a super accessible and affordable system that would capture a wide audience. Nintendo, again, with the WiiU, purposefully chose to do the gamepad thing instead of adding in more power, though that time they didn't choose accessibility nor affordability, rather the gamepad just took up the cost of what adding in more power otherwise would have cost.

The Switch is not like those at all. It is not underpowered. It's a handheld system, for some reason people always seem to forget that physically it is a handheld system. It was appropriately powered for a handheld system coming out in 2017. Being a handheld system has never been considered a "gimmick", and greatly increasing the functionality of that by making it a hybrid system that can play as a home console or a handheld system I don't think can remotely be called a gimmick either. With the Switch they did not choose to do some new thing with gaming instead of a making a powerful system, they just built a powerful handheld that can double as a console system hooked up to a TV.

So they already abandoned the choosing gimmick over power strategy that they used with the two Wii systems. The Switch concept is a powerful handheld that is strong enough to be a console, and gives players the ability to play it as either.

Anyway, to answer the question, yeah obviously hybrid handheld is much preferable to just adding a third standard console system. The whole reason Nintendo moved away from that typical design with the Wii was because Nintendo consoles were selling less and less every gen when they focused on having really powerful systems.

Though to be fair most of that was their own blunder with making N64 a system that third parties didn't want to develop on compared to the PSX, as well as their controlling relationship with third parties. It was their relationship with third parties that caused their console sales to get worse and worse, not any inability to make a popular console. But I think they realized after the GC that the third party market had so thoroughly shifted toward Playstation that Nintendo was unlikely to be able to compete with Playstation in the exact same market as Playstation, and I think after 3 more generations now that would certainly still be the case.

Thus the shift to doing something different. By doing something different they've easily won two of the last three gens (Switch winning either gen whether you compare it to PS4/XB1 or PS5/XBSeries). And with the Switch since they abandoned the Wii-style underpowered "gimmick" focused strategy they've had their biggest success ever.

So no, I would absolutely hate it if they just made yet another standard high powered expensive console. That'd be bad for Nintendo, bad for consumers, and bad for the industry.

The winning strategy for Sony is going after high spenders with expensive systems and expensive peripherals, but every third party game they could ask for to convince them to spend all that extra money. The winning strategy for Nintendo is accessibility (often through innovation) and affordability and continuing to make the best damn games on the planet to make up for the lack of AAA third party games. If Nintendo abandoned their winning strategy just to compete on Sony's turf with Sony's winning strategy that would pretty much guarantee Nintendo of having a losing strategy. Just as Microsoft has found to be the case, and as Sony found out trying to compete with Nintendo in handhelds is a losing strategy.

I do think they should add a "Home" model to the Switch family. I thought they would toward the end of Switch's life. Maybe they will next gen. Just as they have the portable-only Lite, I think having a TV-only Home would capture the last bit of the entirety of the market that is interested in Nintendo, for those people who only ever game on a TV and would prefer an upclocked (or I guess more accurately a non-downclocked) Home model that is also cheaper then the hybrids, rather than simply a docked hybrid model.

Last edited by Slownenberg - on 30 November 2024

Nintendo's software would struggle to take advantage of PS5 hardware specs, let alone more.
Remember the slow development during the Wii U days because of HD graphics?
I can sympathize with those who don't have or want a PlayStation, Xbox, or Gaming PC to have Nintendo as an all in-one. I just don't see it happening.
What I want is the following.
-A hybrid that is around base PS4 or more in handheld mode.
-A dock with a chipset that boosts the performance past PS4 Pro approaching Xbox One X territory. Unless the dock is pricey, I don't see it matching or exceeding the speed and GPU of Xbox Series S.
-A modern online infrastructure.
-Give people an TV-only SKU who only want to play on the TV.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima