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SvennoJ said:

I mostly play PSVR2 games since it came out. No lack of games to play there. I still have many unplayed games from the first couple years as well, while I had nothing to play on PS3 first year but PS2 games. But to be fair I have a lot less time for gaming now.

PS3 had a great library but it came later, but indeed still faster than it's going this gen.

Btw you're praising the durability of the later systems, while also praising the BC of the launch models. There were no durable BC systems, hence I mentioned it. I lost both BC machines. What we're getting now is durable machines without having to worry what revision / model number you're on.

What we're also getting now is full BC with PS4, with the games running better and loading faster. Much better BC than PS3 had.

As for the controllers, I had a lot more time to play back then. Plus 2 small kids and my wife playing as well. Lots of wear and tear. One big issue was the flimsy charge port, not kid proof. Once you can't charge the controller anymore it's worthless. Also sticky kid fingers lead to sticky face buttons that get stuck :/

My kids are older now, less sticky :p I play a lot less, actually more with the Sense controllers than the Dualsense. So far they're lasting a lot better. However my oldest keeps getting stick drift (he plays a lot).

DS4 were bad as well. The R2 trigger kept failing or rather not going 100% after a lot of use. Since I was playing GT Sport non stop, no good if you only get 95% throttle...

Anyway so far I have had the least issues this gen, but also the play less :/

Well it's up to you that you choose the PSVR titles and side of the things. The PSVR is relatively new tech and maybe there is some games for it. But it's more casual and it's not the thing the most of people buy this generation consoles for. This is your specific case. There were much more AAA games back than and even the mediocre games were okay for play while now we don't have so much games to begin with, and the ones we have are almost all ports of old titles, remakes and re releases, and the truly new ones are either available on last gen or just aren't so good. It's only a few of them that are good. The true PS5 exclusives for example that aren't available on PS4 and aren't old games are just 2, the PS3 had more for it's first two years, and we are including the first 4 years of PS5 here. Of course the PS3 library as you said got better and better with the time, but even in those first 2 years where it wasn't so great, it was still better than the PS5 one for it's first 4 years.

For the backward compatibility, yes you have now full backcompat with the last gen, and you had one with the PS3, but only for the first models, that were the bad ones. But you had full 100% backcompat for the full generation of PS1 titles with upscaled visuals and again better loading times. Yes it may be old now, but back then this was only 2 gens behind. Which is like having full 100% back compat for PS3 now. On top of that you could play almost all of the PS2 games for the first 2 years of the PS3 models. And also the reliability didn't came now with the PS5 or the PS4. We have consoles that we don't need to worry about revisions and overheating since 2008 onwards (from both Sony and Microsoft). But yes, as I said this is the one thing that will be better for every other gen other than the 7th gen, the first years where the consoles are more reliable.

As for the controllers, of course that if you give your good durable PS3 controller or any other for that matter to children and compare the use you can't expect to have durability long, it's children after all, there is no matter the controller. I am talking the general use of those controllers by normal grown people, when you take some care of your controller. I haven't had any problems with them for years, charging port included. I played many many hours before, I have had sessions of 15 hours with no stop, so sweat on the controllers, and angry pushes and all that and have been charging my controllers every time it was needed, no problems there whatsoever. And I haven't met people with problems on theirs let alone drifting. Drifting become popular after PS4. it wasn't a thing before.



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XtremeBG said:
SvennoJ said:

That's a lot of rose tinted glasses viewing.

PS3 had a terrible game library the first year(s), far behind the 360. I remember a long game drought after launch.

All my PS3 controllers have failed, those things weren't durable at all. Very flimsy, especially compared to the 360 controllers. I had problems with the charging ports, the sticks, the directional buttons, the triggers. They were nice lightweight controllers yet now I use a DS4 controller for my PS3 since all 7 or so of my PS3 controllers are either dead or have issues. (One continuously fires directional buttons at the lightest touch of the controller)

Both my 60GB launch PS3 and 80GB 'movie player' PS3 died from YLod. PS3 slim is still going.
PS3 never had full BC in Europe, only US versions had the complete package. But unfortunately they died on me, no more full BC, no more card reader.

But yes, that was still a time where tech got cheaper a lot faster over time and scaling up production. Now inflation and scarcity have changed that for all computer electronics. But let's not forget Sony lost 4 billion or more on PS3 :/ Just get blu-ray to win over HD-DVD (luckily). PS3 was sold at $300 loss, it was actually a $899 console.

I am comparing it to this console generation, not the 360. I am talking about 7th gen vs 9th gen, in the second part of the post. The first one was only about PS3. Even if you want PS3 alone, there weren't many games in those launch years compared to the later years for it, however they were still more and better than the games released for PS5 so far. Other thing is almost all of the games on PS5 so far are available on the PS4 as well. And I am not including them. I am pointing out 7th gen exclusives vs 9th gen exclusives, not games available on the last generation too. However even if we include them last gen and next gen it's still way better period for games 2006-2008 PS2&PS3 vs the PS4&PS5 2020-2024.

Yeah by this point in its lifespan the PS3 had Uncharted 1/2, Killzone 2, God of War III, Resistance 1/2, Infamous, Motorstorm 1/2, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction & Crack in Time, Bioshock 1/2, COD Modern Warfare 1/2 and World at War, Dead Space, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, Batman Arkham Asylum, MGS4, Vanquish, Fallout 3...

PS5 absolutely pales in comparison.



curl-6 said:
XtremeBG said:

I am comparing it to this console generation, not the 360. I am talking about 7th gen vs 9th gen, in the second part of the post. The first one was only about PS3. Even if you want PS3 alone, there weren't many games in those launch years compared to the later years for it, however they were still more and better than the games released for PS5 so far. Other thing is almost all of the games on PS5 so far are available on the PS4 as well. And I am not including them. I am pointing out 7th gen exclusives vs 9th gen exclusives, not games available on the last generation too. However even if we include them last gen and next gen it's still way better period for games 2006-2008 PS2&PS3 vs the PS4&PS5 2020-2024.

Yeah by this point in its lifespan the PS3 had Uncharted 1/2, Killzone 2, God of War III, Resistance 1/2, Infamous, Motorstorm 1/2, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction & Crack in Time, Bioshock 1/2, COD Modern Warfare 1/2 and World at War, Dead Space, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, Batman Arkham Asylum, MGS4, Vanquish, Fallout 3...

PS5 absolutely pales in comparison.

COVID, diminishing returns, and rising costs are to blame. But if we are to count multiplats, crossgen and console-exclusives, PS5 arguably has the better library. It's subjective.



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Kyuu said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah by this point in its lifespan the PS3 had Uncharted 1/2, Killzone 2, God of War III, Resistance 1/2, Infamous, Motorstorm 1/2, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction & Crack in Time, Bioshock 1/2, COD Modern Warfare 1/2 and World at War, Dead Space, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, Batman Arkham Asylum, MGS4, Vanquish, Fallout 3...

PS5 absolutely pales in comparison.

COVID, diminishing returns, and rising costs are to blame. But if we are to count multiplats, crossgen and console-exclusives, PS5 arguably has the better library. It's subjective.

That's the thing though, the PS3 justified itself with a ton of great software that was not only unavailable but impossible on PS2; by contrast, nearly 4 years after its release, PS5 still feels like a PS4 Pro Pro rather than its own generation.

While we can blame diminishing returns, the pandemic, and the economy for that, at the end of the day, people are allowed to feel that the PS5 is underwhelming and has yet to justify its existence.



curl-6 said:
Kyuu said:

COVID, diminishing returns, and rising costs are to blame. But if we are to count multiplats, crossgen and console-exclusives, PS5 arguably has the better library. It's subjective.

That's the thing though, the PS3 justified itself with a ton of great software that was not only unavailable but impossible on PS2; by contrast, nearly 4 years after its release, PS5 still feels like a PS4 Pro Pro rather than its own generation.

While we can blame diminishing returns, the pandemic, and the economy for that, at the end of the day, people are allowed to feel that the PS5 is underwhelming and has yet to justify its existence.

People are allowed to feel it's underwhelming, but they're not allowed to feel that it's yet to justify its existence lol. I get what you mean though, I'm disappointed myself.



Kyuu said:
curl-6 said:

That's the thing though, the PS3 justified itself with a ton of great software that was not only unavailable but impossible on PS2; by contrast, nearly 4 years after its release, PS5 still feels like a PS4 Pro Pro rather than its own generation.

While we can blame diminishing returns, the pandemic, and the economy for that, at the end of the day, people are allowed to feel that the PS5 is underwhelming and has yet to justify its existence.

People are allowed to feel it's underwhelming, but they're not allowed to feel that it's yet to justify its existence lol. I get what you mean though, I'm disappointed myself.

I mean, I think it would be a valid opinion to say both PS5 and Xbox Series have yet to justify themselves as a new console generation when most games are still coming out on hardware from 2013.



The PS5 Pro is completely unappealing to me personally. But some people are having weird responses to this. Why shouldn't they be allowed to sell an optional expensive premium console? People act like Sony punched them in the teeth because they have a niche expensive product that isn't for them.

Not every product they make has to be for you and the mass market.