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Ryuu96 said:
Mnementh said:

Well, Wikipedia currently lists 73 million votes for Trump (probably will be more once all is counted). You will not win them back by demonizing them. And yes, you are not in a presidential campaign. But all of what is said online contributes to an overall picture of the left.

Just look at it from another angle: your views of Trump and MAGA is also influenced by stupid takes you see on the internet of his fans. And people he attacked probably will not vote for him or people aligned to him for the foreseeable future.

This goes both ways. More polarization is not going to help you win in the future.

Could you people actually read my post?

Unless you're telling me that every single Trump voter also has the stance of...

  1. We should cut off all aid to Ukraine.
  2. Let Israel finish off Palestine.
  3. Trump can bring peace to Ukraine in a day and/or soon as he comes into office.

1/2 are disgusting stances to take and results in thousands more dead but "oh the feelings"

3 is objectively a stupid thing to believe, I'd put it almost the same level as being a Flat-Earther.

  • Can't criticise Trump voters as a whole
  • Can't criticise a specific group of Trump voters - We're here right now.

What's next? Can't criticise a single person for anything if he voted Trump? You're both being ridiculous.

Fine, if you said it that way. Let's ask this way: how do you think people read it? And to be clear: I don't think you personally have a major influence, but a lot of social media posts add up to a vibe. And the fine details and separations you lay out here tend to get lost if condensed into a general vibe. Some right-wing influencer takes this and gives it a certain spin on top - and this is how you lose people.

I mean you can be angry as much as you want, but it will change nothing. So go on as you like. I don't want to criticize you, but going this way of anger and blaming will not make you happier and mentally more healthy. It is always more productive to focus on things that you actually can control. Makes one feel better.

And to be clear: I am falling into this trap often enough. I am just a human after all. I just have given up mostly on the US years ago and just look at it with the stance: maybe with a lot of luck things can improve. So I don't feel as much feelings either way anymore. It still influences me for other things. But I try to remove my feelings from things outside of my control. Yelling at election results is like yelling at clouds for raining on you: pointless. So raging on about the voters isn't helping you now and potentially damaging in the future.



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LegitHyperbole said:

I'm confident I will not have to consume a single thread of my pants. I'll soften 'em up and get the butter ready but in no world is little Donald Trump an evil dictator. No one would take him seriously as a dictator, he'd be laughed off stage, he doesn't even have the hands for it. 

Trump isn't evil if you want to use a moral alignment kind of compass.  He is just more so amoral.  His ethics fit what suits him much more than most people.  And he seems to have done many shady things in recently.  So to hell with Trump.  I hope he burns.  

He has also been very lax wrt Russia and its aggression towards Ukraine.  Ryuu can explain it much better but he's also praised Putin and mocked zelensky.  I think that he's got some kind of agreement with Russia even though it will never be proven.  If Trump is going to officially be an isolationist towards Russia, whether he has agreements or not, the real question is what will happen with China in his final term.  Will China invade Taiwan?  This would be the ideal time.  They have a president who doesn't want to meddle with foreign affairs, much less against communist ones.  All trump cares about is the border.   

The problem is that Taiwan produces 90% of the world's semiconductors.  You can do the math and realize that they could start charging out of the ass if they have that monopoly over the rest of the world, and fvcking over everybody.   

This is very worrisome to me.  

Either they don't cause he's too unpredictable or they attempt it cause he'll show he won't interviene. Idk anymore but I'm almost positive China is going to attempy to take Taiwan no matter who's in office, tbh, they have promised as much and does it really matter when they do it at that point. Probably better for them to try sooner before they have expanded their military capability and naval capability, I'd feel safer now that ten years down the line where they're more efficient militarily. Just me though, another war in another region with new players is adding more to a hot ww3. It's difficult to quantify the right time or under the right leadership of each side for something like that cause there is too many factors at play. 

And I say attempt because someone on this site eased my fears, they said Taiwan is not just an Island in the middle of the South China Sea, it is a very capable island in the middle of the SCS well prepared to handle an invasion, trained and drilled for the event even from a China with a well outfitted Naval capability down the road and they only continue to up their preparedness. It's not a take it or not siutationam and after someone mentioned that, Ryuu I think, and I looked into it my fears went out the window cause it very likely isn't going to work out in China's favour, if they do get onto the Island and manage to hold part of it, it'll be very much the same deal as Ukraine and all the US or it's neighbours like Japan, Austrialia and the philipines etc would have to do is back it in the same way and avoid direct intervention. Also, I just want to add how unlikely it is that they'd get onto the island, It's doubtful the Americans would even be able to do it with their full might and would end up having to bomb the ever living shit out of the island first. 

Alas, I think Trump caught up to speed on the importance of Taiwan would make the correct call. He'll probably even set up infrastructure in the US to get out of this dead lock and look for rare earth materials elsewhere knowing what's at stake. And let's not forget he hates China.  

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LurkerJ said:

Omg some of you need to get a fucking grip on reality. The American right is clearly 100% effective at distorting the reality field for some of you and at gaslighting you all. 

You're showing me random fucking videos of random fucking no bodies as an example of how radical the left is? are you fucking serious?

Meanwhile, this guy gets a seat at the fucking table with Trump along with Kanye and it's the spineless American left who's radical? 

Why isn't this clip being shown by this obnoxious Australian bitch as an example of the right losing it? Matt Walsh and Steven Bannon openly embracing project 2025 right after Trump won? 

The examples are too many, I typed many posts but I kept on deleting because what's the fucking point. The right gets away with everything including electing someone that's so far off the spectrum like Trump but the left needs to go back to the centre. Wat. Stop with the stupid conclusions, just because the right won it doesn't make everything they say about the left true. Jesus, I hope the dems are having better discussions than the ones we're having here, there is no time to learn the wrong lessons.

With that Nick stuff, I've seen a lot of men replying directly to women lately in social media "your body, my choice" it's fucking sickening. But of course, the left need to watch their language, bad left! Can't criticise anyone ever again! Can't call out stupidity or disgusting stances! You must instead try to appeal to MAGA voters! Harris could barely appeal to Republicans, let alone MAGA.

The vast majority of people don't give a fuck about the bedwetting happening in here about mean names and labels, people are acting like Harris lost more because of mean words than the prices of groceries and such, have we lost our fucking minds? Lmao. Most human beings are selfish and will vote for what benefits them most, as simple as that, not what some loser on the internet said.

Democrats shouldn't actively try to appeal to Republicans, it was clearly useless this election, instead I'd say they should propose radical economic changes, a promise of something vastly different from the status quo, a Bernie-like approach to proceedings to improve peoples lives. Centrist always make the mistake of maintaining the status quo and it always leads to the raise in the far-right and then centrist end up moving further right, but there's already a right wing party that people vote for so they don't get votes, Lol.

I'd like to see Bernie groom a younger successor, it may be time to try his approach again.



Mnementh said:
Ryuu96 said:

Could you people actually read my post?

Unless you're telling me that every single Trump voter also has the stance of...

  1. We should cut off all aid to Ukraine.
  2. Let Israel finish off Palestine.
  3. Trump can bring peace to Ukraine in a day and/or soon as he comes into office.

1/2 are disgusting stances to take and results in thousands more dead but "oh the feelings"

3 is objectively a stupid thing to believe, I'd put it almost the same level as being a Flat-Earther.

  • Can't criticise Trump voters as a whole
  • Can't criticise a specific group of Trump voters - We're here right now.

What's next? Can't criticise a single person for anything if he voted Trump? You're both being ridiculous.

Fine, if you said it that way. Let's ask this way: how do you think people read it? And to be clear: I don't think you personally have a major influence, but a lot of social media posts add up to a vibe. And the fine details and separations you lay out here tend to get lost if condensed into a general vibe. Some right-wing influencer takes this and gives it a certain spin on top - and this is how you lose people.

I mean you can be angry as much as you want, but it will change nothing. So go on as you like. I don't want to criticize you, but going this way of anger and blaming will not make you happier and mentally more healthy. It is always more productive to focus on things that you actually can control. Makes one feel better.

And to be clear: I am falling into this trap often enough. I am just a human after all. I just have given up mostly on the US years ago and just look at it with the stance: maybe with a lot of luck things can improve. So I don't feel as much feelings either way anymore. It still influences me for other things. But I try to remove my feelings from things outside of my control. Yelling at election results is like yelling at clouds for raining on you: pointless. So raging on about the voters isn't helping you now and potentially damaging in the future.

this.  this 100%.  



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At what point do you nuke this thread, lol. Never tell angry people to calm down they say and I'll head that advice but.... whoah. 👀 



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Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

Again. Did I demonise the whole of Middle-America? No.

I insulted a specific group of MAGA voters but here you are rushing to finger wag at me and cry foul at me calling out that specific group, at me expressing anger at the thought of thousands of people being thrown to the slaughter, because seemingly hurt feelings is worse than human lives to you. You did not address anything else I said other than to get upset about me saying people are stupid for believing in Trump's peace plan and disgusting for wanting to cut off all aid to Ukraine and let Israel slaughter Palestinians, maybe you just don't give a fuck about either.

You somehow believe that me, a VGChartz user, a European, will somehow influence the results of America's elections by expressing said anger, meanwhile it's perfectly okay for you, a VGChartz user, an American, to spend 99% of his time talking shit about Democrats but oh, at least you voted for Harris, that totally makes your tactic the perfect one to gain votes.

Get off your high horse pretending that you know better than every single VGChartz user, this same shitty attitude that you've expressed over the course of multiple threads, get over your ego trip and being upset that people aren't apologising to you and admitting that you were "right" when you did the exact same shit in another thread where you refused to admit you were wrong, over something as fucking useless and harmless like UK driving laws. Stop acting like you're better than everyone else when you do the exact same shit.

At the end of the day, both me and you complaining on VGChartz is not going to have a major impact on the US Election but don't be a hypocrite and pretend like my stance will somehow have a negative impact on America's future elections by criticising people who are endorsing the stance of letting Ukraine and Palestine be slaughtered but somehow your stance of saying how awful the Democrats are 24/7 is going to gain votes? Give me a fucking break.

Also they'll be no Trump voter in 2028 unless you believe that Trump will rip up the constitution and go for a 3rd term.

*Ironically, I wasn't wrong about UK driving, you all were, but dogpiled like you all did in this thread.  You are immature and cannot handle being wrong.  Of course, on this topic, there is further irony.  I have a UK driver's license, you don't.  

You was wrong as pointed out by the UK Governments own fucking website, Lmao. And I know plenty of people in the UK with a driving license, including my own father, Lol. Who all disagreed with what you said, along with providing evidence from Reddit UK users, you did not provide any counter evidence of your own, all you said was that you was right because you have a driving license and took a test but I'll end this part here since it's off-topic.

I have and will happily admit when I'm wrong multiple times on this website, I don't think I've actually seen you admit to being wrong to anything. You're without a doubt one of the most ego driven members on this website who think you know better than everyone else and aren't afraid to show it. You love to rub it in peoples faces, even when you are wrong. Be honest, you think that you're better than everyone here.



LegitHyperbole said:

At what point do you nuke this thread, lol. Never tell angry people to calm down they say and I'll head that advice but.... whoah. 👀 

Good question.  The one piece I do agree with, if it helps, is it isn't fair.  GOP has a much longer leash than liberals.  It is unfair, but my counter argument is life is unfair, better come up with better strategies.  Demonizing GOP voters doesn't work.  



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Ryuu96 said:

Can't criticise anyone ever again! Can't call out stupidity or disgusting stances!

Well, I don't care if Trump or his movements loses voters forever (well, at least the foreseeable future) because of insults. I do care a more if the other side loses voters forever (you know).

Ryuu96 said:

Democrats shouldn't actively try to appeal to Republicans, it was clearly useless this election, instead I'd say they should propose radical economic changes, a promise of something vastly different from the status quo, a Bernie-like approach to proceedings to improve peoples lives. Centrist always make the mistake of maintaining the status quo and it always leads to the raise in the far-right and then centrist end up moving further right, but there's already a right wing party that people vote for so they don't get votes, Lol.

I'd like to see Bernie groom a younger successor, it may be time to try his approach again.

Yes, exactly. I say that for years. And others in this thread do as well.



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Ryuu96 said:
Chrkeller said:

*Ironically, I wasn't wrong about UK driving, you all were, but dogpiled like you all did in this thread.  You are immature and cannot handle being wrong.  Of course, on this topic, there is further irony.  I have a UK driver's license, you don't.  

You was wrong as pointed out by the UK Governments own fucking website, Lmao. And I know plenty of people in the UK with a driving license, including my own father, Lol. Who all disagreed with what you said, along with providing evidence from Reddit UK users, you did not provide any counter evidence of your own, all you said was that you was right because you have a driving license and took a test but I'll end this part here since it's off-topic.

I have and will happily admit when I'm wrong multiple times on this website, I don't think I've actually seen you admit to being wrong to anything. You're without a doubt one of the most ego driven members on this website who think you know better than everyone else and aren't afraid to show it. You love to rub it in peoples faces, even when you are wrong. Be honest, you think that you're better than everyone here.

LMFAO

Evidence from Reddit.  that pretty sums up everything on my end.  lol



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Chrkeller said:

Good question.  The one piece I do agree with, if it helps, is it isn't fair.  GOP has a much longer leash than liberals.  It is unfair, but my counter argument is life is unfair, better come up with better strategies.  Demonizing GOP voters doesn't work.  

Exactly. The conservative vs. progressive political struggle has never been a symmetrical one, and condescension doesn't help in the least.