2024 US Presidential Election

[Mnementh]

Ryuu96 said:

Mnementh said:

Well, Wikipedia currently lists 73 million votes for Trump (probably will be more once all is counted). You will not win them back by demonizing them. And yes, you are not in a presidential campaign. But all of what is said online contributes to an overall picture of the left.

Just look at it from another angle: your views of Trump and MAGA is also influenced by stupid takes you see on the internet of his fans. And people he attacked probably will not vote for him or people aligned to him for the foreseeable future.

This goes both ways. More polarization is not going to help you win in the future.

Could you people actually read my post?

Unless you're telling me that every single Trump voter also has the stance of...

1. We should cut off all aid to Ukraine.
2. Let Israel finish off Palestine.
3. Trump can bring peace to Ukraine in a day and/or soon as he comes into office.

1/2 are disgusting stances to take and results in thousands more dead but "oh the feelings"

3 is objectively a stupid thing to believe, I'd put it almost the same level as being a Flat-Earther.

• Can't criticise Trump voters as a whole
• Can't criticise a specific group of Trump voters - We're here right now.

What's next? Can't criticise a single person for anything if he voted Trump? You're both being ridiculous.

Fine, if you said it that way. Let's ask this way: how do you think people read it? And to be clear: I don't think you personally have a major influence, but a lot of social media posts add up to a vibe. And the fine details and separations you lay out here tend to get lost if condensed into a general vibe. Some right-wing influencer takes this and gives it a certain spin on top - and this is how you lose people.

I mean you can be angry as much as you want, but it will change nothing. So go on as you like. I don't want to criticize you, but going this way of anger and blaming will not make you happier and mentally more healthy. It is always more productive to focus on things that you actually can control. Makes one feel better.

And to be clear: I am falling into this trap often enough. I am just a human after all. I just have given up mostly on the US years ago and just look at it with the stance: maybe with a lot of luck things can improve. So I don't feel as much feelings either way anymore. It still influences me for other things. But I try to remove my feelings from things outside of my control. Yelling at election results is like yelling at clouds for raining on you: pointless. So raging on about the voters isn't helping you now and potentially damaging in the future.