My post if you can't read covered most of your points you made. It's not gaslighting. Also 1537M is not my number. It's Sony official confirmed number and it's for SOLD, not shipped (although even if it was for shipped this also would mean that they already sold to the consumers). This is from 2010 even. So by 2013/2014 when PS2 games were selling that number would only grew. Switch at this moment in time has sold less software and less hardware than PS2. Therefore it's success is still not big as the PS2 if we are talking purely software and hardware numbers. Of course the profits nowadays can be a lot bigger than before. Your original point is wrong though. You can't bash on the success of one console and say it's not valid and give reasons to why. Reason can be found for everything. The only thing that matter is that the success is there. This was my original answer to you. Not PS2 vs Switch.

DS is then most successful than the Switch too by that logic. And yes I agree, if DS was given 2-3 years more as a major console it would probably otsell the PS2. And no PS2 wasn't given 4 years more. DS just got cut short. Also keep in mind that 100$ back then wasn't exactly bargain basement prices. The 99$ then would be like around 150$ now. DS and 3DS both were selling somewhere around that price in their last years too. The DS whooped the PS2 ass to 100M but so did whopped the ass to the Switch too. Also your last reason is valid for pretty much all the consoles out there. If the companies didn't have other competition they would be in a hurry and every console in history could be sold for at least few years more.

I agree. But it is normal for a console in nowadays, to be more profit than a console from almost 25 years ago. And you can't really measure which one is more successful because of the different eras, and all the different factors that go with this different eras. My original point was that is wrong to ignore the success of one console, and say it's just because of this and that.

My original point was about overall success. If we're talking solely about sales numbers than yes, PS2 is still on top and you can't really argue against it. 

This discussion is like saying Michael Jordan is the GOAT when Bill Russell has 5 more championships than he does. the circumstances in which Russell won 11 times matters to the discussion.

Are you a moderator?

You don't know the difference between sales and shipments. I see that now. shipments does not mean sold to consumer. it means it was stocked by the retailer. As I told you, I know where you got that number from.

(tried to post the direct links but it just won't work. you can go to best selling PS2 games on Wikipedia where it says they shipped 1.24B software and an additional 297 software and click the citation links)

The units SOLD were the additional ~300 units, not the 1.24B which are shipments.

@HebrewGamer

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

Straight from Sony's website it has officially shipped/sold 1.537 billion units of software as of March 31, 2012. Where is this 1.24 billion coming from?

PS2 wasn't officially discontinued until December 2012/January 2013 hardware wise which means the hardware and software are both higher but we don't know how high. 

I run numerous sales threads and have been following vgcharts since 2010 (despite my registraion being 2011) You really debate my knowledge in sales and shipments and sold units ?

Even if you was true and the actual number reported was 1.24B and 300 more shipped it is obvious those 300 more would be sold at sometime. Which would again lead to final number of 1537.

However, whereever you try to search for PS2 software sales u can see 1.5B. Here is just one of the many many articles about the official report of Sony SELLING, not shipping that 1.5B in software - https://web.archive.org/web/20110322001816/http://asia.gamespot.com/news/6298857.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop%3Bstory%3B17.

Also keep in mind that this is from February 2011. By the time PS2 games really stopped selling in the stores - sometime in 2014 I guess the PS2 software can have reached even 1.6B or more. I know very good the difference of sold and shipped. I know also that whatever is shipped is becoming sold at sometime. Again though, this is not the reason I answered to your original comment, but because it's not right to bash at the success of any of the consoles. And this is not because I like playstation, or the PS2. In fact my favourite one is PS3. But even if you deny the success of average console like the XB360, or even Nintendo one if you want like 3DS, I would not agree with you, cuz there is no matter the sales, if the console is good or have proven itself to be somewhat of a success, it's not okay to downplay or deny it's achievements. Or even hate at whichever console, even the lower selling ones.

It will be interesting to see where total Switch software lands lifetime; it's at 1.2 billion now; depending how how the remainder of the system's life plays out (how many new games, when it's replaced, when it's discontinued, if the successor is BC) there's a solid chance it tops 1.6b when all's said and done.

It should also be noted that Switch's reported software figures don't include digital-only titles, so with those who knows, could be over 2b already.

@HebrewGamer it doesn't matter anyway because the majority of software sold is Nintendo's so they got 100% royalty. Meanwhile the PS2 was mostly winning on 3rd party titles with rare exceptions. So Nintendo wins anyway.

Sorry buddy, but If you look at your source again it says for software "sell-in" and for hardware it says "sell-through"

sell-in = Units delivered to retailers = shipments

sell-through = units sold to end user/customer = sales

The 1537 cumulative shipments could very well be inaccurate but Sony wouldn't be the first nor the last company to inflate numbers using shipments instead of sales.

Good effort though.