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the-pi-guy said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Anything that doesn't cause harm or lead to harm. If the people your defending who have a right to violently protest didn't have a voice or were so afraid of their Governemnt like in China where they actually get "disappeared" as someone said above you wouldn't see any of this for all the wrong reasons. You are for freedom of press but not free speech which is the backbone of freedom of press. And yes, someone can say something out of emotion or from a completely innocent perspective or even a bad joke and still be held to account as people like the KKK, putting neaurodivergent people at severe risk of these laws and you can't do two tier justice so no protections and also the beurocracy would not see a difference either way. And like I said before, our governments change, now those laws could work for you but in 10 years those laws could work very much against you and you could be put in jail for speaking undeniable objective facts that are clear for anyone with eyes to see. 

I know I don't have much in the way to give you in discussion but as I'm neurodivergent I fear getting banned for saying the wrong thing much like I and many will fear getting sent to jail for saying or doing the wrong thing (or acting the "wrong way" which is seen as creepy and can cause offence) should these laws, against all common sense, be put on paper. Also, don't give me the, if you've nothing hateful to say you won't be jailed but when laws become ridiculously wishy washy like the site rules here and on many other sites that are volunteer moderated anything can be taken as hateful or the judge can rule against someone based on their emotion or political stance and get away with it Scott free. 

This is the first brick in our modern western society that if pulled will cause a whole heap of other bricks to come tumbling down on top of us, war or no war and in the cyber age it's probable and logical to think that we may never get these freedoms back as, like you said protests in the past have been violent but violent protests have proved to do absolutely nothing in the age we live in, in fact it they help with control and governmental manipulation as we saw in Hong Kong. 

Tag me when the gun turns around the other way, religious zeolets have gained control of EU countries and have these laws to work with and you, a poor atheist who has posted all your opinions online gets life in jail for not having the right opinions retroactively. 

It really bothers me that you like to push around "neurodivergent" as a safeguard, when some of the people that I know, that are the most vocal about these kinds of things are neurodivergent. 

Having autism doesn't make someone say "Death to Ukrainians" or anything that vile. 

Having autism doesn't make someone put on a swastika. 

I didn't mention autism, neurodivergent is a long list of ailments that would be effected, only adding to the mentally ill in jails which is a systemic problem. Autism is not a safeguard and frankly I do not care if it bother you because it should be, especially if the person is younger and hasn't had the time to adjust if it's possible for them cause there are differing degrees of autism, a spectrum, ranging from people who believe they are autistic cause it's trendy to people who are near catatonic the majority of the day. My best friend many years ago was functioning, not highly so but he was verbal and held a job, only got his jaw broken once by a gang of youths for being "abnormal" but he would display behaviour to such an extreme degree that you'd only see in a film and say things so randomly off the top of his head in the company of strangers, completely innocently and not coming from any place of malice, that would definetly get him offending someone today who might prosecute under these laws proposed. A man who believed everyone he met was his true friend that wouldn't hurt a fly, litterally probably get into an ethical conundrum over the hurting of a fly. If you have no empathy for Autistic people who display behaviour or say seemingly hateful things out of hand, you have not only been around the people who think they are autistic but aren't or are extremely high fuctioning and if you do, you're heartless, examples of things said such as "You have down syndrome, I notice your nose" or "Are all Nigerian people as stupid as yourself" are paraphrased things from the mouth of someone truly autistic who didn't know they were and autism gets better with age as the person learns social norms and the very negative aspects like being severely anal or focused on what's factual or emtional meltdown fade as time goes by. Severe Autism needs to be handled with anti pyscothic drugs in the modern age in civilizaied societies where we don't lock people up anymore and people live in the community. Remember these that I quoted are completely innocent things worded very badly that would get someone afflicted would be prosecuted under these laws if the person in the vicinity FEELS a level of offence. Intent matters and these laws ignore intent. Now most judges do two teir justice for minorities like I mentioned if not openly then subconsciously or by common sense but then you get some judges who are anal or poor in their judgement or perhaps TOO fair in their rulings. 

If you don't know the plight of severely autistic people trying to live outside of mental institutions in the modern day please look up the man who recently was killed by police while begging for his antipyscothic medication to calm himself down while he was melting down or go to your local day care center and volunteer every now and then if they do that sort of thing, you'll know exactly what I mean after a few days of it.  

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the-pi-guy said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-white-house-asked-us-military-develop-options-panama-canal-offic-rcna195994

Planning on mobilizing the military to Panama.  

So good to have a non accelerationist president. 

U.S. Southern Command is developing potential plans that vary from partnering more closely with Panamanian security forces to the less likely option of U.S. troops seizing the Panama Canal by force, the officials said. Whether military force is used, the officials added, depends on how much Panamanian security forces agree to partner with the U.S. 

WTF.

According to Musk though, it wouldn't be Donald Trump seizing Panama Canal, it would be the public sector workers of the military.



Donald Trump says he thinks US will annex Greenland

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— Sky News (@news.sky.com) 13 March 2025 at 17:35


Europe really needs an European army. Too bad it's mostly not because of Russia but USA.



LegitHyperbole said:

Attacking Tesla Vehicals is not on. That's an attack on citizens and not on Musk, leave peoples property out of your lunacy, you aren't raging against the machine by destroying someones car and attacking the buildings and factories, while less shitty is also pretty fucked but what gets me if you Americans are facing a recession as mentioned in this thread yet so many are so far gone, they'd attempt to tank and destroy Musks industry propping companies (and all those they employ). I swear, China and Russia are rubbing one out just watching these news stories gooning ferociously and blowing loads everytime someone metions Trump or Musk. I swear this will spiral into something much worse and paces the way for cyber dystopian terrorism, many here in Europe are saying we should defend ourselves against Russia by limiting speech and while I'm very much against it, I look at the US who'll uphold free speech even when it indirectly causes severe real world harm and wonder is it worth worrying over...it is though, it's worth the entire system crashing, it's worth a world war down to the last two men fighting, at least the sons and daughters of the dead will know the immense freedom when you aren't imprisoned for a stray thought or speaking out of emotion and will no peace from the fear that comes with that. I would consider great firewalls between each of the super powers however and a hell of a lot of money from defence spending going into programmes to defend against foreign meat bots and restrictions on people under the age of 16 using the Internet in any capacity with ISPs blacklisting offenders to save some semblance of stability. 

Isn't society collapsing fantastic, now pump the treble. 

I suppose this is what you've held in for weeks regarding free speech, after you couldn't muster to respond to the discussion in the EU and UK politics thread. You are against rules for free speech, but in the end you are actually for them. Cool.

Tanking Musks companies and destroying products of his companies are two very different things. There's certainly no problem whatsoever with people boycotting Tesla.

But anyway, moving on...

The general trend of the last few weeks is that the USA is repeatedly confronted with the reality that they and the rest of the world are living in different realities. In their own minds, the USA's leaders are strong and unstoppable, but the rest of the world recognizes them as weak and pathetic. That's why Trump and Musk are so stumped whenever there is pushback to their stupidity.

It's perplexing that no influential force in the USA is willing to stand up against Trump and Musk. This would be understandable if Trump and Musk were as competent dictators as Putin is who gives orders to kill people, but that's far from the case. Just look at them, they are losing their marbles about something as basic as people choosing not to buy Tesla cars, and they are powerless about it. Looks like another instance of the art of self-intimidation.



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LegitHyperbole said:

I didn't mention autism, neurodivergent is a long list of ailments that would be effected, only adding to the mentally ill in jails which is a systemic problem. Autism is not a safeguard and frankly I do not care if it bother you because it should be, especially if the person is younger and hasn't had the time to adjust if it's possible for them cause there are differing degrees of autism, a spectrum, ranging from people who believe they are autistic cause it's trendy to people who are near catatonic the majority of the day. My best friend many years ago was functioning, not highly so but he was verbal and held a job, only got his jaw broken once by a gang of youths for being "abnormal" but he would display behaviour to such an extreme degree that you'd only see in a film and say things so randomly off the top of his head in the company of strangers, completely innocently and not coming from any place of malice, that would definetly get him offending someone today who might prosecute under these laws proposed. A man who believed everyone he met was his true friend that wouldn't hurt a fly, litterally probably get into an ethical conundrum over the hurting of a fly. If you have no empathy for Autistic people who display behaviour or say seemingly hateful things out of hand, you have not only been around the people who think they are autistic but aren't or are extremely high fuctioning and if you do, you're heartless, examples of things said such as "You have down syndrome, I notice your nose" or "Are all Nigerian people as stupid as yourself" are paraphrased things from the mouth of someone truly autistic who didn't know they were and autism gets better with age as the person learns social norms and the very negative aspects like being severely anal or focused on what's factual or emtional meltdown fade as time goes by. Severe Autism needs to be handled with anti pyscothic drugs in the modern age in civilizaied societies where we don't lock people up anymore and people live in the community. Remember these that I quoted are completely innocent things worded very badly that would get someone afflicted would be prosecuted under these laws if the person in the vicinity FEELS a level of offence. Intent matters and these laws ignore intent. Now most judges do two teir justice for minorities like I mentioned if not openly then subconsciously or by common sense but then you get some judges who are anal or poor in their judgement or perhaps TOO fair in their rulings. 

If you don't know the plight of severely autistic people trying to live outside of mental institutions in the modern day please look up the man who recently was killed by police while begging for his antipyscothic medication to calm himself down while he was melting down or go to your local day care center and volunteer every now and then if they do that sort of thing, you'll know exactly what I mean after a few days of it.  

I know that I've brought this up before. 

A lot of your examples make no sense.

No one is pushing for illegalizing rude comments or something. 


You're imagining a bizarre set of rules and punishments for vague crimes. The people on the left are not advocating for these things.  In the real world, the people who you think are advocating for free speech, would be the first to punish people for any kind of neurodivergence. 



the-pi-guy said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I didn't mention autism, neurodivergent is a long list of ailments that would be effected, only adding to the mentally ill in jails which is a systemic problem. Autism is not a safeguard and frankly I do not care if it bother you because it should be, especially if the person is younger and hasn't had the time to adjust if it's possible for them cause there are differing degrees of autism, a spectrum, ranging from people who believe they are autistic cause it's trendy to people who are near catatonic the majority of the day. My best friend many years ago was functioning, not highly so but he was verbal and held a job, only got his jaw broken once by a gang of youths for being "abnormal" but he would display behaviour to such an extreme degree that you'd only see in a film and say things so randomly off the top of his head in the company of strangers, completely innocently and not coming from any place of malice, that would definetly get him offending someone today who might prosecute under these laws proposed. A man who believed everyone he met was his true friend that wouldn't hurt a fly, litterally probably get into an ethical conundrum over the hurting of a fly. If you have no empathy for Autistic people who display behaviour or say seemingly hateful things out of hand, you have not only been around the people who think they are autistic but aren't or are extremely high fuctioning and if you do, you're heartless, examples of things said such as "You have down syndrome, I notice your nose" or "Are all Nigerian people as stupid as yourself" are paraphrased things from the mouth of someone truly autistic who didn't know they were and autism gets better with age as the person learns social norms and the very negative aspects like being severely anal or focused on what's factual or emtional meltdown fade as time goes by. Severe Autism needs to be handled with anti pyscothic drugs in the modern age in civilizaied societies where we don't lock people up anymore and people live in the community. Remember these that I quoted are completely innocent things worded very badly that would get someone afflicted would be prosecuted under these laws if the person in the vicinity FEELS a level of offence. Intent matters and these laws ignore intent. Now most judges do two teir justice for minorities like I mentioned if not openly then subconsciously or by common sense but then you get some judges who are anal or poor in their judgement or perhaps TOO fair in their rulings. 

If you don't know the plight of severely autistic people trying to live outside of mental institutions in the modern day please look up the man who recently was killed by police while begging for his antipyscothic medication to calm himself down while he was melting down or go to your local day care center and volunteer every now and then if they do that sort of thing, you'll know exactly what I mean after a few days of it.  

I know that I've brought this up before. 

A lot of your examples make no sense.

No one is pushing for illegalizing rude comments or something. 


You're imagining a bizarre set of rules and punishments for vague crimes. The people on the left are not advocating for these things.  In the real world, the people who you think are advocating for free speech, would be the first to punish people for any kind of neurodivergence. 

But they are (The governemnt, not the people), the laws are so wishy washy and open to interpretation concerning hate speech, have a look at the one that they tried to pass in Ireland but it wasn't voted in and I never said anything about left or right, we don't have your left or right where we come but a majority of people who live in the middle and can choose from all issues independently of one another and trust me, we despise the extreme right more than the extreme left here but you make something out of what you're given without destroying it and personally I always vote as what you would see as left here, we have one party that would be considered right and they are a joke who always fail. Have a look at what people have been prosecuted in Germany for on what other feel of their as you say rude words and litterally just that rude words that offended someone. Perhaps look into what you are defending, please, so many won't do it and group think these insane restrictions on living onto everyone else. Again, you're stuck on this us versus them mindset when it should be us versus the powers that be stepping over the line.  

As for laws on restrictions on information because of a war in another country no less, well that's not any less deserving of being thrown out because it is one more step just like the laws I mentioned above towards tyranny. 

I like what a satirical site online had as a faux headline "German man in jail for a meme sure wishes the EU can stop Russian tyranny". 

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Trump: "To be honest with you, Canada only works as a state. We don't need anything they have. As a state it would be one of the great states. This would be the most incredible country visually. If you look at a map, they drew an artificial line right through it."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 13 March 2025 at 17:45

Sounds like open borders to me!

If you look at this map, they drew artificial lines all over it!

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Ryuu96 said:

Trump: "To be honest with you, Canada only works as a state. We don't need anything they have. As a state it would be one of the great states. This would be the most incredible country visually. If you look at a map, they drew an artificial line right through it."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 13 March 2025 at 17:45

Sounds like open borders to me!

If you look at this map, they drew artificial lines all over it!

Something tells me Trump doesn't know that the landmass enlarges as you go north and becomes infinite at the poles on a flat map. God I hope he has a Globe where he can see what he's looking at Canada and Greenland as part of the US is far less impressive than he thinks. 



Ryuu96 said:

Elon Musk is about 1 tweet away from another PR trip to Auschwitz.

Unbeliavable.