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the-pi-guy said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Anything that doesn't cause harm or lead to harm. If the people your defending who have a right to violently protest didn't have a voice or were so afraid of their Governemnt like in China where they actually get "disappeared" as someone said above you wouldn't see any of this for all the wrong reasons. You are for freedom of press but not free speech which is the backbone of freedom of press. And yes, someone can say something out of emotion or from a completely innocent perspective or even a bad joke and still be held to account as people like the KKK, putting neaurodivergent people at severe risk of these laws and you can't do two tier justice so no protections and also the beurocracy would not see a difference either way. And like I said before, our governments change, now those laws could work for you but in 10 years those laws could work very much against you and you could be put in jail for speaking undeniable objective facts that are clear for anyone with eyes to see. 

I know I don't have much in the way to give you in discussion but as I'm neurodivergent I fear getting banned for saying the wrong thing much like I and many will fear getting sent to jail for saying or doing the wrong thing (or acting the "wrong way" which is seen as creepy and can cause offence) should these laws, against all common sense, be put on paper. Also, don't give me the, if you've nothing hateful to say you won't be jailed but when laws become ridiculously wishy washy like the site rules here and on many other sites that are volunteer moderated anything can be taken as hateful or the judge can rule against someone based on their emotion or political stance and get away with it Scott free. 

This is the first brick in our modern western society that if pulled will cause a whole heap of other bricks to come tumbling down on top of us, war or no war and in the cyber age it's probable and logical to think that we may never get these freedoms back as, like you said protests in the past have been violent but violent protests have proved to do absolutely nothing in the age we live in, in fact it they help with control and governmental manipulation as we saw in Hong Kong. 

Tag me when the gun turns around the other way, religious zeolets have gained control of EU countries and have these laws to work with and you, a poor atheist who has posted all your opinions online gets life in jail for not having the right opinions retroactively. 

It really bothers me that you like to push around "neurodivergent" as a safeguard, when some of the people that I know, that are the most vocal about these kinds of things are neurodivergent. 

Having autism doesn't make someone say "Death to Ukrainians" or anything that vile. 

Having autism doesn't make someone put on a swastika. 

I didn't mention autism, neurodivergent is a long list of ailments that would be effected, only adding to the mentally ill in jails which is a systemic problem. Autism is not a safeguard and frankly I do not care if it bother you because it should be, especially if the person is younger and hasn't had the time to adjust if it's possible for them cause there are differing degrees of autism, a spectrum, ranging from people who believe they are autistic cause it's trendy to people who are near catatonic the majority of the day. My best friend many years ago was functioning, not highly so but he was verbal and held a job, only got his jaw broken once by a gang of youths for being "abnormal" but he would display behaviour to such an extreme degree that you'd only see in a film and say things so randomly off the top of his head in the company of strangers, completely innocently and not coming from any place of malice, that would definetly get him offending someone today who might prosecute under these laws proposed. A man who believed everyone he met was his true friend that wouldn't hurt a fly, litterally probably get into an ethical conundrum over the hurting of a fly. If you have no empathy for Autistic people who display behaviour or say seemingly hateful things out of hand, you have not only been around the people who think they are autistic but aren't or are extremely high fuctioning and if you do, you're heartless, examples of things said such as "You have down syndrome, I notice your nose" or "Are all Nigerian people as stupid as yourself" are paraphrased things from the mouth of someone truly autistic who didn't know they were and autism gets better with age as the person learns social norms and the very negative aspects like being severely anal or focused on what's factual or emtional meltdown fade as time goes by. Severe Autism needs to be handled with anti pyscothic drugs in the modern age in civilizaied societies where we don't lock people up anymore and people live in the community. Remember these that I quoted are completely innocent things worded very badly that would get someone afflicted would be prosecuted under these laws if the person in the vicinity FEELS a level of offence. Intent matters and these laws ignore intent. Now most judges do two teir justice for minorities like I mentioned if not openly then subconsciously or by common sense but then you get some judges who are anal or poor in their judgement or perhaps TOO fair in their rulings. 

If you don't know the plight of severely autistic people trying to live outside of mental institutions in the modern day please look up the man who recently was killed by police while begging for his antipyscothic medication to calm himself down while he was melting down or go to your local day care center and volunteer every now and then if they do that sort of thing, you'll know exactly what I mean after a few days of it.  

Last edited by LegitHyperbole - on 13 March 2025