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Yeah Microsoft is not interested in releasing quarterly reports like Sony and Nintendo, so not going to happen is right.



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GI.Biz EUR NOV 2022

Hardware (minus UK/Germany)

NSW 2022 > 2x PS5 2022 > XBS 2022

NSW down YoY

PS5 up YoY +49%

XBS up YoY +22%

Software (includes UK/Germany)

GOWR #1 barely ahead of SV combined (but SV missing digital).

Top 20

1God of War Ragnarok (Sony)
2FIFA 23 (EA)
3Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
4Pokémon Violet (Nintendo)*
5Pokémon Scarlet (Nintendo)*
6Sonic Frontiers (Sega)
7Grand Theft Auto 5 (Rockstar)
8Mario Kart 8: Deluxe (Nintendo)*
9Red Dead Redemption 2 (Rockstar)
10Football Manager 2023 (Sega)
11Nintendo Switch Sports (Nintendo)*
12The Last of Us: Part 2 (Sony)
13Horizon: Forbidden West (Sony)
14NBA 2K23 (2K Games)
15Gran Turismo 7 (Sony)
16LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga (Warner Bros)
17God of War (Sony)
18It Takes Two (EA)
19Splatoon 3* (Nintendo)
20Spider-Man: Miles Morales

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trunkswd said:

It is a lot of work to do the estimates every week. And we are coming up with ideas to help with that so I can take more time to myself and take care of my health, and deal with less burn out. But they would all mean the estimates would be much later.

Option 1 - Wait until all the monthly reports are out before doing any estimates for the month and post the 4 or 5 weeks over say 2 weeks. So it would be 2 really busy weeks of posting the estimates. But then 2 or 3 weeks off from having to work on them. Unless the quarterly reports come out during that time.

Option 2 - Delay them a couple of weeks, so when the monthly reports come out we only have the first 2 weeks of a month out, then I post the rest of the weeks over the course of 2 weeks. Then I have a week, maybe 2 where I don't have worry about it. Though this option would mean those first 2 weeks would be less accurate and I would still have to adjust them. 

Option 3 - This would require the most work especially for Bandorr to get set up, which he is willing to do (Thank you Bandorr!!). Switch from weekly estimates to monthly estimates. Now I wouldn't wait until ALL the monthly reports are available. But as each one comes in I post the data for that specific region. Ie. when all the Japan data (Famitsu) is in I post that data. When the US data (mainly NPD) is out I would post the Americas estimates for the US, Canada, and Latin America for the month. When the UK and Europe monthly reports on GamesIndustry are out I post the Europe estimates for the month. Once all are done have the worldwide estimates for everything added up posted. 

MORE from option 3 - Now with this option it would help with my stress a lot more than the other 2 would. One thing I would do to help make sure we still have the same amount of sales articles as before: The worldwide hardware breakdown I do right now and the other 2 weekly sales articles, I would do one for each country/region - Japan, US (Or North America? Or all of Americas?), Europe, and worldwide. So the number of sales articles would remain the same. And yes the monthly sales comparison articles would remain the same as before.

Option 1 and 3 would mean the initial estimates would be more accurate (YAY!!). Not 100%, because as you know NPD doesn't provide any exact figures, but gives us enough of an idea to be closer than we were before. The UK monthly report provides enough clues that we can be within a few percent of the actual sales. And the Europe report is almost as good as the UK one, though this report does not include hardware figures for the UK (which is fine a we have the UK report anyway), Germany (big ouch, but we know it is the 2nd biggest gaming market in Europe), and some smaller countries in Eastern Europe. Places like Asia and MEA are the hardest for us to get much data in. So those will always be the least accurate. 

If you decide to switch I would miss the weekly sales estimates since these threads are one of the main things that keep me coming back to the site so often but prioritizing your mental health would make complete sense.



Kakadu18 said:
Pionner said:

This site already admitted they based U.K. sales on the estimates for November. Which honestly makes no sense. U.K. is the smallest market out of all of Europe. And PS5 was behind only by thousands of sales. Not no hundreds of thousands. I wouldn’t use that data point for anything.

The UK market is now apparently smaller than Luxemburg.

Luxembourg's market is so big it comes bundled with Belgium



Personally, I like your current methodology. Would be fine with change.

Although, mental health is the most important factor (kind of foundational). Have you thought of talking to a mental health expert? Perhaps someone who also has some training in time management? (I believe most do, these days). I’m guessing you’re from the US, do you have publicly funded mental health lines? Or any kind of public counselling services? It might be a better way to figure out answers on how to deal with stress than you’ll find on this site.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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Sounds like option 3 is the one you want. Yes, I would miss the weekly numbers but if you burn yourself out that’s not helpful for anyone. So do what’s best for you and is sustainable.



trunkswd said:

Thank you all! I really do appreciate it your kind words or just calling out Twitter for the cesspool it really is. I guess going forward I shouldn't bother being so open about adjustments over on Twitter. Just not worth it. The amount of crap was really overwhelming that I had trouble sleeping over the weekend. This is the first time I've dealt with the worst of Twitter at its full force. 

BTW as I stated I am still going to write up the daily news and weekly software charts as those don't cause me stress. They just take time to do. And if anyone is wondering, yes I am probably as sick hearing about the Activision Blizzard deal as most of you, but they bring in good views and usually get a lot of comments. 

It is a lot of work to do the estimates every week. And we are coming up with ideas to help with that so I can take more time to myself and take care of my health, and deal with less burn out. But they would all mean the estimates would be much later.

Option 1 - Wait until all the monthly reports are out before doing any estimates for the month and post the 4 or 5 weeks over say 2 weeks. So it would be 2 really busy weeks of posting the estimates. But then 2 or 3 weeks off from having to work on them. Unless the quarterly reports come out during that time.

Option 2 - Delay them a couple of weeks, so when the monthly reports come out we only have the first 2 weeks of a month out, then I post the rest of the weeks over the course of 2 weeks. Then I have a week, maybe 2 where I don't have worry about it. Though this option would mean those first 2 weeks would be less accurate and I would still have to adjust them. 

Option 3 - This would require the most work especially for Bandorr to get set up, which he is willing to do (Thank you Bandorr!!). Switch from weekly estimates to monthly estimates. Now I wouldn't wait until ALL the monthly reports are available. But as each one comes in I post the data for that specific region. Ie. when all the Japan data (Famitsu) is in I post that data. When the US data (mainly NPD) is out I would post the Americas estimates for the US, Canada, and Latin America for the month. When the UK and Europe monthly reports on GamesIndustry are out I post the Europe estimates for the month. Once all are done have the worldwide estimates for everything added up posted. 

MORE from option 3 - Now with this option it would help with my stress a lot more than the other 2 would. One thing I would do to help make sure we still have the same amount of sales articles as before: The worldwide hardware breakdown I do right now and the other 2 weekly sales articles, I would do one for each country/region - Japan, US (Or North America? Or all of Americas?), Europe, and worldwide. So the number of sales articles would remain the same. And yes the monthly sales comparison articles would remain the same as before.

Option 1 and 3 would mean the initial estimates would be more accurate (YAY!!). Not 100%, because as you know NPD doesn't provide any exact figures, but gives us enough of an idea to be closer than we were before. The UK monthly report provides enough clues that we can be within a few percent of the actual sales. And the Europe report is almost as good as the UK one, though this report does not include hardware figures for the UK (which is fine a we have the UK report anyway), Germany (big ouch, but we know it is the 2nd biggest gaming market in Europe), and some smaller countries in Eastern Europe. Places like Asia and MEA are the hardest for us to get much data in. So those will always be the least accurate. 

I hope you get better Trunks! I really appreciate your work!

As I see it option 1 or 3 will be great, your mental health is always the first.

Maybe not posting the sales figures in twitter will also help, or restricting the people that can answer VGCHartz's tweets and your tweets.

I have a few doubts.

-If there's a month sales post, will it have the breakdown for each week?

-Knowing that the weekly hardware sales reports are the most watched, will posting hardware sales once a month affect the money that VGChartz makes with ads?

Whichever route you and the VGChartz take will be great! Thanks for all



Jumpin said:

Just so you know, it’s not just you on Twitter. Virtually every fandom is full of these self-righteous and self-entitled jackoffs... or “True Fans” as they like to be called.

Twitter is great in theory: creators can have a dialogue with their fans and consumers. I think that’s why so many creators stick around on it. Unfortunately, the reality is that it’s the perfect environment for these shitty pessimistic people who move in just to let these creators know that they’re outraged about something they’re doing. And then when those posts get the attention (because people are obsessed with outage) other people want to join in, and they all pat each other on the back over it. That’s what Twitter actually is—that’s the reality that creators on it try to live with.

I remember back in the day, when the Internet was more sectioned off, you’d find 1 or 2 of these types in a community of dozens to a few hundred, constantly spewing off their pessimistic nonsense, like creators have somehow victimized them by daring to create something. Back then, these sorts looked just like the lunatic fringe. With Twitter, it’s like every Comic Book Guy in the world formed into much larger armies to spread their shittiness—flinging shit at people who actually add to society. Instead of looking like the lunatic fringe, these people look like the mainstream, and because most people just don’t want to deal with this shit, there aren’t a lot of positive voices to make it seem otherwise. It seems to happen in many large communities: Twitter is just another platform that’s come to be full of these over-dramatic pessimists—just like 4Chan a decade or two ago.

Sometimes I wonder that if Elon Musk takes out Twitter, that it might be the best thing to happen to the Internet in years. Because that way the content creators (of all sorts) will be forced to end subjecting themselves to the shittiness of Twitter.


I think you’ll find the majority of people love your hard work, and we understand the process.

Some of my favorite Prozd skits are hilariously accurate takes on social media:



trunkswd said:

Just a heads up for everyone. It is very unlikely I will post the next hardware charts this week. If the Europe November data comes out I will adjust those figures. I've just been dealing with a lot of stress and need a bit of a break from the hate I've been dealing with mainly over on Twitter with our estimates. 

I do plan on posting all the daily news and official weekly software charts as usual this week. And monthly sales comparison articles for November. 

Any adjustments need to be made up or down for anybody with this data?  



Blood_Tears said:
trunkswd said:

Just a heads up for everyone. It is very unlikely I will post the next hardware charts this week. If the Europe November data comes out I will adjust those figures. I've just been dealing with a lot of stress and need a bit of a break from the hate I've been dealing with mainly over on Twitter with our estimates. 

I do plan on posting all the daily news and official weekly software charts as usual this week. And monthly sales comparison articles for November. 

Any adjustments need to be made up or down for anybody with this data?  

The data said that Switch made 2x to PS5, so i think that there Will be some adjustments