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Chrkeller said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I often forgot how delusional and in denial Nintendo fans can be

Or people have different preferences and are entitled to respect on said opinions.  Nintendo has my favorite software, nothing "delusional" about it.  Nothing more than personal preference.  You won't see me giving somebody a hard time for preferences.

Oh, the denial doesn't come from where your favorite games comes from, Nintendo also produces some of my favorite games, that's not the question 

The denial comes from where you imply Switch sells better because it has better software, therefore doesn't matter how good Steam Deck is specs-wise, people will overlook it because Switch software is superior 

When in reality the majority of Switch software is on Steam Deck as well. Steam Deck library is superior to any console, Nintendo included

Steam Deck will never sell as much as a console, because it's a PC. Some products inherently have more sales than others, in the case of PCs the entry bareer in the market is non existent, any electronic company can start producing PCs and sell them. PCs sells much more than consoles indeed, just like smartphones sells much better than consoles. But the numbers of models and options reduces the sales potential of each model. 



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Chrkeller said:

Or people have different preferences and are entitled to respect on said opinions.  Nintendo has my favorite software, nothing "delusional" about it.  Nothing more than personal preference.  You won't see me giving somebody a hard time for preferences.

Oh, the denial doesn't come from where your favorite games comes from, Nintendo also produces some of my favorite games, that's not the question 

The denial comes from where you imply Switch sells better because it has better software, therefore doesn't matter how good Steam Deck is specs-wise, people will overlook it because Switch software is superior 

When in reality the majority of Switch software is on Steam Deck as well. Steam Deck library is superior to any console, Nintendo included

Steam Deck will never sell as much as a console, because it's a PC. Some products inherently have more sales than others, in the case of PCs the entry bareer in the market is non existent, any electronic company can start producing PCs and sell them. PCs sells much more than consoles indeed, just like smartphones sells much better than consoles. But the numbers of models and options reduces the sales potential of each model. 

With all due respect you have your wires crossed.  I've not made a single comment about sales.  I've done nothing more than state my personal preference for Nintendo software, in which you called me delusional, which is off-base and 100% unnecessary.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Chrkeller said:

In your opinion.  I'll personally take Mario, metroid and zelda over PC games.  Nintendo still, imho, has the best software in the industry.

I often forgot how delusional and in denial Nintendo fans can be

If someones favorite games are Mario and Zelda, that isn't delusional.  It's a personal preference that may apply to one person, but not to another person.



I don't know how big of a seller the Steam Deck could be but I'd like to see them have store distribution in Best Buy and Game Stop at least, right now they can't even keep up with demand online though.

It's a nice product but I would probably wait for Steam Deck 2. I will say for a bigger device it's surprisingly comfortable to hold and use.



Chrkeller said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Oh, the denial doesn't come from where your favorite games comes from, Nintendo also produces some of my favorite games, that's not the question 

The denial comes from where you imply Switch sells better because it has better software, therefore doesn't matter how good Steam Deck is specs-wise, people will overlook it because Switch software is superior 

When in reality the majority of Switch software is on Steam Deck as well. Steam Deck library is superior to any console, Nintendo included

Steam Deck will never sell as much as a console, because it's a PC. Some products inherently have more sales than others, in the case of PCs the entry bareer in the market is non existent, any electronic company can start producing PCs and sell them. PCs sells much more than consoles indeed, just like smartphones sells much better than consoles. But the numbers of models and options reduces the sales potential of each model. 

With all due respect you have your wires crossed.  I've not made a single comment about sales.  I've done nothing more than state my personal preference for Nintendo software, in which you called me delusional, which is off-base and 100% unnecessary.

It's because you first comment was "hardware doesn't matter, software matters" when answering a question regarding sales

I should have addressed it directly instead of resorting in attacking you, I apologize for this.



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Soundwave said:

I don't know how big of a seller the Steam Deck could be but I'd like to see them have store distribution in Best Buy and Game Stop at least, right now they can't even keep up with demand online though.

It's a nice product but I would probably wait for Steam Deck 2. I will say for a bigger device it's surprisingly comfortable to hold and use.

Valve is not a console manufacturer, and I don't think they plan to be. Throwing sales in this debate are making me shake my head in disbelief. Do people also compare the number of sales between milk and wine? 



Conina said:
sethnintendo said:

It's not a PC it's a handheld.

It's a PC and a handheld. "Handheld" describes the formfactor, just like "desktop", "laptop" or "tablet". Or like "home consoles" and "handheld consoles".

sethnintendo said:

Valve has shit support for their past hardware and maybe they'll actually try this time?  Remember the steam machines?  Yea most don't

Please show us the Steam machine which was sold by Valve. They haven't sold that.

But they sold Steam Link (still supported), Valve Index (still supported), Steam controllers (still supported) and Index controllers (still supported).

Every new Steam game can still be mirrored to Steam link hardware (additional to Steeam Link software solutions).
Every new Steam game with controller support can be played with the Steam controller.
Most new Steam games without controller support can still be played with the Steam controller due to community templates and flexible button+stick mappings.
Most new VR games can be played with a Valve Index VR headset and Index controllers.

IcaroRibeiro said:
Chrkeller said:

Or people have different preferences and are entitled to respect on said opinions.  Nintendo has my favorite software, nothing "delusional" about it.  Nothing more than personal preference.  You won't see me giving somebody a hard time for preferences.

Oh, the denial doesn't come from where your favorite games comes from, Nintendo also produces some of my favorite games, that's not the question 

The denial comes from where you imply Switch sells better because it has better software, therefore doesn't matter how good Steam Deck is specs-wise, people will overlook it because Switch software is superior 

When in reality the majority of Switch software is on Steam Deck as well. Steam Deck library is superior to any console, Nintendo included

Steam Deck will never sell as much as a console, because it's a PC. Some products inherently have more sales than others, in the case of PCs the entry bareer in the market is non existent, any electronic company can start producing PCs and sell them. PCs sells much more than consoles indeed, just like smartphones sells much better than consoles. But the numbers of models and options reduces the sales potential of each model. 

Any manufacturer could make a PC but probably wouldn't because of profits.  Same like consoles.  For generations Sony and MS have been undercutting their hardware just in hopes it outperforms.  It worked during PS1/2/3 era but shit ain't the same anymore.  Hell with the global chip shortage it makes Nintendo look like god damn geniuses going for older tech.  Now you graphics whores might not like that but there will always be a job at EA for you.

Last edited by sethnintendo - on 03 September 2022

I also just prefer physical games. I like holding th box and looking at the art and a physcal game I can hold. No sorry USB sticks don't count or whatever USB attachment. If that counts then my phone is a physical game. I will put my copy of Snail Maze on the shelf with my other Master System games but not sure the Master System will fit itself.

Vita had the perfect form factor of any handheld. I'd love a Switch that can play both handheld and docked the size of Vita.



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ZyroXZ2 said:

Hyperbole: people using words that are dramatic to make a point. But sometimes, certain things can be so one-sided that there's a clear winner. Does the Steam Deck actually destroy the Nintendo Switch, though?

No written version, it's another one of those show-and-tell type things!... Which includes a key snippet of voice chat gameplay right off the Steam Deck without a headset!

"Switch sells more because of brand-power and legacy."

There was this brand-power and legacy with the WiiU? Nope, I don't buy into it. Switch sells better, because it offers more value for most people. Yes, for some people Steam Deck offers more value. But the sales chart are dominated by other people than these.

"Games on Switch vs. games on PC."

Have you checked if actually all the games run  without hitch on SteamDeck? The actual library of the SteamDeck may be smaller than the one of Steam.

"Porn games"

SteamDeck wins

"Ergonomics"

Look, there is a lot of subjectivity here. For me Switch doesn't feel as good as a 3DS as a mobile console, as the 3DS I could (and did and do) put it in a pocket in my jacket or trousers. With Switch I put it in my backpack and also use a carrying case. That is already a loss of ergonomics in my book. SteamDeck is even bigger?

Last edited by Mnementh - on 03 September 2022

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Hmm, I probably should say also: I did consider the SteamDeck. I do like my toys that make lights and sound. But I didn't consider it for long. Because - SteamDeck actually is missing an important part of the appeal of Switch: playing in docked mode. Now people may argue: but you have a PC anyway, right? Yes, and that means I need SteamDeck much less. And SteamDeck is even worse for mobile play than Switch already is, which is as I said already a downgrade for mobile play compared ot the 3DS.

So in the end the value presentation of SteamDeck is: a console missing the docked feature and the other half the mobile play is strongly disincentivized for me, because it is so big. Which leaves the SteamDeck actually with not a lot of value. I probably would play it twice for the novelty and then ignore. As I already have a PC.



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