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Ryuu96 said:

Be careful when embedding Tweets, try to use the inbuilt embed feature in Rich Text Reply, I believe posting tweets through Quick Reply breaks the thread.

Yeah, I didn't realize simply posting the link would do that. I'll know for the future.



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padib said:
Signalstar said:

Biden's farts make more sense than whatever rambling incoherent logic is behind that nonsensical post of yours.

Your brain is full of Biden's. Better take the opinions of a professor to clear some air:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

This from 2016.

Thank you for posting this link. The lecture by Professor Mearsheimer is very insightful and accurately breaks down the internal dynamics of Ukraine as well as the likely future outcome if the West keeps pushing the Ukraine toward a hard-line anti Russian stance.

Sadly, years later his insights have proven to be prophetic and the greatest victims in all this are the Ukrainians. Clearly there is a significant divide within Ukraine and it was also predictable that it joining NATO was Russia's red line. In that sense, Russia's current actions, as deplorable as they may be from an international law perspective are entirely predictable.

As a fellow Slav my heart bleeds for Ukraine but also for the average Russian as this is the definition of a fratricidal conflict. Talking from a cynical and Machiavellian perspective, the West not only will be sitting this out but they will be happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. May this conflict end as soon as possible and I pray that the casualties of the innocent are minimised.

 



 

 

From the people of my country, they say like this:

Ukraine: Putin/Russia is the invader, Nato/US are everything, they will protect us.
Putin: Lenin to Ukraine is like Ho Chi Minh to Vietnam. Destroying Lenin statue is unforgivable, they need to be taught a lesson.

The real reason: Ukraine shares the border with Russia, but they severed the bond with Russia, followed US/Nato. If Nato/US attack Ukraine, Russia will defend them. But if Russia attack Ukraine, no one will defend them. When they join Nato, US will have the right to put their army at Ukraine, it's very near Moscow - a big threat to Russia. As a leader, Putin must act to protect Russia.



It was very clear from Putin's insane speech about Ukraine's history that he doesn't give a damn about NATO considering he mentioned NATO like once during that speech? The rest of it was essentially how Ukraine doesn't deserve to exist as a country, as it's a former Soviet Union country.

This is just an insane leader who wants to make a legacy for himself and bring back the 'glorious' Soviet Union, NATO is nothing more than an excuse, if it weren't for NATO, he would use a different excuse, Ukraine was already rejected for NATO membership once before and even today was absolutely nowhere near joining NATO as they can't apply whilst in active conflict (Crimea).

It is so damn obvious that nobody wants this war aside from Putin, it caught even Putin's closest allies off guard, the obvious terror in his Government officials is plain to see, insane Hitler leaders will always find an excuse to do insane shit.

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Branko2166 said:
padib said:

Your brain is full of Biden's. Better take the opinions of a professor to clear some air:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

This from 2016.

Thank you for posting this link. The lecture by Professor Mearsheimer is very insightful and accurately breaks down the internal dynamics of Ukraine as well as the likely future outcome if the West keeps pushing the Ukraine toward a hard-line anti Russian stance.

Sadly, years later his insights have proven to be prophetic and the greatest victims in all this are the Ukrainians. Clearly there is a significant divide within Ukraine and it was also predictable that it joining NATO was Russia's red line. In that sense, Russia's current actions, as deplorable as they may be from an international law perspective are entirely predictable.

As a fellow Slav my heart bleeds for Ukraine but also for the average Russian as this is the definition of a fratricidal conflict. Talking from a cynical and Machiavellian perspective, the West not only will be sitting this out but they will be happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. May this conflict end as soon as possible and I pray that the casualties of the innocent are minimised.

Just want to make a note about posting titles of hour long videos as your argument. (Mainly directed at the poster of the link)


You should add your own conclusions from said material in your post as well. And/or a timestamp to the portion that coincides with the argument you're making.
Because it has been many people's experience here in the past that they go through a very long video, only to find that it was not worth their time, or it was not claiming what the poster was implying, etc.

Even if the person in the video concludes is that Ukraine's situation in 2015 is the fault of the west, that does not mean that he is saying that Russia's stated reasons for the invasion in 2022 are justified in any way.

But because this poster added nothing else to their post, it comes off that way. And the only way for people to argue against it is to sit through 1h and 40 mins, not knowing if it's even relevant to the discussion at hand. Which is not fair to them.

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Branko2166 said:
padib said:

Your brain is full of Biden's. Better take the opinions of a professor to clear some air:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

This from 2016.

Thank you for posting this link. The lecture by Professor Mearsheimer is very insightful and accurately breaks down the internal dynamics of Ukraine as well as the likely future outcome if the West keeps pushing the Ukraine toward a hard-line anti Russian stance.

Sadly, years later his insights have proven to be prophetic and the greatest victims in all this are the Ukrainians. Clearly there is a significant divide within Ukraine and it was also predictable that it joining NATO was Russia's red line. In that sense, Russia's current actions, as deplorable as they may be from an international law perspective are entirely predictable.

As a fellow Slav my heart bleeds for Ukraine but also for the average Russian as this is the definition of a fratricidal conflict. Talking from a cynical and Machiavellian perspective, the West not only will be sitting this out but they will be happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. May this conflict end as soon as possible and I pray that the casualties of the innocent are minimised.

The only one pushing Ukraine into an anti Russian stance is the country invading them.

A majority of Ukraine want to join NATO and a vast majority want nothing to do with Russia.

If they want to join it is their right to entertain that as a sovereign country.

This conflict will end with the least amount of casualties if mini Hitler gets his troops out, hopefully Ukraine puts up a resistance that makes it ultimately not worth it along with pressure domestically from protesters but it doesn't seem like Putin gives a damn about anything lately.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 25 February 2022