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Metallox said:

What is Putin's staff even planning to keep the home theater at bay? Millions of innocents Russians could suffer like they haven't since the crisis of the 90s due to the sanctions (some European countries will keep buying Russian gas for a few more days, though). Media outlets are painting a very grim picture, but really, it's just the logical conclusion. Right now, Ukraine is getting the worst part, but eventually the Russian populace could potentially feel it, too. What's there for Russia to gain in this whole thing.

Alexei Nevalny has some things to say about Putin's motivations. In short: this whole war is a big diversion, playing with human lives to cover up tremendous theft and shallow ambition.


His documentary below (English, abridged) as reference material to the above video and what he's been saying in the last while.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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drkohler said:
Signalstar said:

Putin is a mad man. Russian aggression must be stopped. Attacks on Ukrainian cities have begun.

I was watching the speech of Joe Biden. I was absolutely horrified of what I saw. An old man who couldn't even give a speech for more than three minutes without starting to mumble and incoherently utter meaningless part-phrases. Is this guy senile?

That was the moment when Putin decided he can go after the Ukraine without fear of any reprisals. Seeing his worst "enemy" on tv with such an absolutely catastrophic performance was the get-go sign.

Now we will see umpteen politicians going on tv declaring "we are with the Ukraine",  "Putin bad guy" and all these blatherings really shows that the West has no guts. I give the Ukraine about 48 hours before their politicians run and the country is in Putin's full control.

And this WAS avoidable, but not with a quasi senile US president. And let's face it, the US would have had to bite the bullet and lead the coward pack (Europeans, all talk, no action).

This argument makes no sense whatsoever.

During the tenure of one of the most eloquent presidents USA have ever had, Putin still went into Ukraine and annexed Crimea.

And if Biden had lost, then the guy that not only rambled incoherent nonsense on a daily basis would have been president. But also actively weakened US relations with NATO allies, and praised Putin every chance he got. Just like he did yesterday:




This was brewing up for a long time and would have happened no matter how eloquent the person in the oval office is.

Actions are more important. And on that note you can't expect much from the guy that stood on stage with Putin and announced to the world that he believed Putin over his own US intelligence that Putin had no involvement in the cyber attacks on the US election.

If anything, Putin would have less to worry about, as the POTUS Twitter account would tweet out words like 'Genius' and 'Wonderful', while this is going on.


And I can't sit here and pretend that this would have been solved by pitting two nuclear powers against each other.
But there are a lot of things that can deter Russia from their advances. And I hope the world's response is strong enough to do so.

Last edited by Hiku - on 24 February 2022

Chernobyl is now under the control of the Russian military.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chernobyl-power-plant-captured-by-russian-forces-ukrainian-official-2022-02-24/



Fuck Putin.

Watching the news for an hour now. I'm scared, angry and disgusted.

Wishing peace and love for the Ukrainian people.



KiigelHeart said:
Mandalore76 said:

You are willfully ignoring the fact that Putin has already sent Russian troops into the Ukraine to annex the Crimea... during an Obama/Biden administration.  So, 2 incursions into the Ukraine, both while Biden was in the White House (first as VP, now as President).  But sure, Putin must have been banking on not having Biden to walk all over a second time.

You willfully ignored the fact I started my post saying I didn't think this was avoidable. Read my post again maybe.

Read it just fine, and specifically bolded the part that I was commenting to.  No need to "count on" someone else to be president when the first action which already happened emboldened the second action that is happening now.



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Mandalore76 said:
KiigelHeart said:

You willfully ignored the fact I started my post saying I didn't think this was avoidable. Read my post again maybe.

Read it just fine, and specifically bolded the part that I was commenting to.  No need to "count on" someone else to be president when the first action which already happened emboldened the second action that is happening now.

But he could've counted on a less united and determined response from the west after his second action. That was my point. We can also say he would've preferred Trump to be the president to clear things up. Hiku already eleborated the reasons why.



Signalstar said:
drkohler said:

I was watching the speech of Joe Biden. I was absolutely horrified of what I saw. An old man who couldn't even give a speech for more than three minutes without starting to mumble and incoherently utter meaningless part-phrases. Is this guy senile?

That was the moment when Putin decided he can go after the Ukraine without fear of any reprisals. Seeing his worst "enemy" on tv with such an absolutely catastrophic performance was the get-go sign.

Now we will see umpteen politicians going on tv declaring "we are with the Ukraine",  "Putin bad guy" and all these blatherings really shows that the West has no guts. I give the Ukraine about 48 hours before their politicians run and the country is in Putin's full control.

And this WAS avoidable, but not with a quasi senile US president. And let's face it, the US would have had to bite the bullet and lead the coward pack (Europeans, all talk, no action).

Biden's farts make more sense than whatever rambling incoherent logic is behind that nonsensical post of yours.

Your brain is full of Biden's. Better take the opinions of a professor to clear some air:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

This from 2016.



KiigelHeart said:
Mandalore76 said:

Read it just fine, and specifically bolded the part that I was commenting to.  No need to "count on" someone else to be president when the first action which already happened emboldened the second action that is happening now.

But he could've counted on a less united and determined response from the west after his second action. That was my point. We can also say he would've preferred Trump to be the president to clear things up. Hiku already eleborated the reasons why.

Why would he have preferred Trump? If Putin was dumb, sure, but Putin isn't dumb. He knows, behind all the chaos and seemingly cluelessness of Trump, that there is an intelligence in there. Trump mastered the art of intentional misdirection to get under the skin of his opponents and draw out the worst in them.  Sometimes it backfired, but literally no one, not even his family, knew what he would do one day to the next. He kept his cards close to the chest.

Putin knew exactly what he was getting with Biden: a deep state controlled man seemingly in cognitive decline with a Vice President that is about as clueless as Dan Quayle.

With Trump he is either a genius or literally insane, and either way Putin was wise to avoid conflict with him. Fighting a genius is hard, fighting a madman is just idiotic.



Dulfite said:

Why would he have preferred Trump? If Putin was dumb, sure, but Putin isn't dumb. He knows, behind all the chaos and seemingly cluelessness of Trump, that there is an intelligence in there. Trump mastered the art of intentional misdirection to get under the skin of his opponents and draw out the worst in them.  Sometimes it backfired, but literally no one, not even his family, knew what he would do one day to the next. He kept his cards close to the chest.

Putin knew exactly what he was getting with Biden: a deep state controlled man seemingly in cognitive decline with a Vice President that is about as clueless as Dan Quayle.

With Trump he is either a genius or literally insane, and either way Putin was wise to avoid conflict with him. Fighting a genius is hard, fighting a madman is just idiotic.

Trump was anything but a madman, anyone with an ounce of intelligence could see that he was an intelligent man.

I agree with your post, Putin at least respected him, and anyone who actually listened to Putin speak can see that he is also quite intelligent, most who don't think so don't even listen to his words, such as the hour-long retelling of Soviet Ukraine-Russian history last Monday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrGLhhTtxFU&ab_channel=TeleSUREnglish

Russia and Ukraine are brother countries with families from Ukraine in Russia and vice-versa. He will be aiming to demilitarize Ukraine at all costs, because the US has given them great amounts of money and weapons, making Ukraine now a threat to its brother nation.

Shame on the U S A and its corrupt covert government and its fake democratic freedom, full of propaganda and corruption of truth and values.



padib said:
Signalstar said:

Biden's farts make more sense than whatever rambling incoherent logic is behind that nonsensical post of yours.

Your brain is full of Biden's. Better take the opinions of a professor to clear some air:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

This from 2016.

What a shock, how'd I know that you would rush in to blame the West for Russia invading a sovereign country.

Dulfite said:
KiigelHeart said:

But he could've counted on a less united and determined response from the west after his second action. That was my point. We can also say he would've preferred Trump to be the president to clear things up. Hiku already eleborated the reasons why.

Why would he have preferred Trump? If Putin was dumb, sure, but Putin isn't dumb. He knows, behind all the chaos and seemingly cluelessness of Trump, that there is an intelligence in there. Trump mastered the art of intentional misdirection to get under the skin of his opponents and draw out the worst in them.  Sometimes it backfired, but literally no one, not even his family, knew what he would do one day to the next. He kept his cards close to the chest.

Putin knew exactly what he was getting with Biden: a deep state controlled man seemingly in cognitive decline with a Vice President that is about as clueless as Dan Quayle.

With Trump he is either a genius or literally insane, and either way Putin was wise to avoid conflict with him. Fighting a genius is hard, fighting a madman is just idiotic.

Trump is outright saying that Putin is a genius for this and entertaining that they (America) should have done similar to the Southern border (I.E. Mexico) so the reason Putin would prefer Trump is quite obvious, because Trump supports it and thus the united Western sanctions would be damaged.

Trump isn't a genius, he's an idiot, Putin wasn't avoiding conflict with him, he was using him to get what he wanted, a broken West, with Biden the West is more united again.

Cut the cognitive decline crap.

At the end of the day though, Putin/Trump is mostly irrelevant as I've already said, this is a culmination of years of build up from Putin, he would have invaded no matter who was in that President seat today, Putin right now is the real evil we should be focusing on.