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leo-j on 16 December 2021
src said:

There's really nothing to suggest PS5 is losing sales (i.e people waiting for PS5's have chosen to never get a PS5 in the future) due to low stock.
Its selling faster than the PS4, next FY if Sony's prediction is true, is going to sell more than the PS4 ever did, 20% more than the PS4 in 3rd FY and is still dominating Xbox 2:1 WW.

Really? BecUse according to actual accurate data PlayStation is selling abysmal numbers in Japan, the Us, and Spain to say the absolute least. Are we dealing with a situation where they are only sending stock to the UK? Because it fell under Xbox and switch in the US dramatically in November. And there are no PS4 ‘s being made either. 



 

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HoangNhatAnh on 16 December 2021
Norion said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

And if they have shortages like vanilla ps5 too?

By the second half of 2023 the chip shortage situation if not fully resolved yet will at least be way better than it is right now so even if a 2023 PS5 revision can't fully satisfy demand at launch it should get way closer than the PS5 has been able to since launch.

this is only true if the covid pandemic doesn't become worse with the new mutations.



Norion on 16 December 2021
HoangNhatAnh said:
Norion said:

By the second half of 2023 the chip shortage situation if not fully resolved yet will at least be way better than it is right now so even if a 2023 PS5 revision can't fully satisfy demand at launch it should get way closer than the PS5 has been able to since launch.

this is only true if the covid pandemic doesn't become worse with the new mutations.

Last I checked the general expectation is for things to overall improve over time with the pandemic since if I remember right a variant popping up that resists vaccines to the extent things are set back to square one is considered an unlikely scenario. The first half of 2022 could be rough with omicron spreading everywhere though.

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EricHiggin on 17 December 2021
Norion said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

this is only true if the covid pandemic doesn't become worse with the new mutations.

Last I checked the general exception is for things to overall improve over time with the pandemic since if I remember right a variant popping up that resists vaccines to the extent things are set back to square one is considered an unlikely scenario. The first half of 2022 could be rough with omicron spreading everywhere though.

Even if things were to mostly be back to normal worldwide by holiday 2022, that's more than enough time into a new gen to shift momentum. It's not that much different to get an XB, even an XBSS if you just can't get your hands on a PS5. Some will wait, some won't. Some will stick with the XB, some will trade to PS5 when it's easy to do so. Some will take a shot on a Switch, or even a Steam Deck.

If the pandemic by chance continues as is or get's worse, nothing really changes for anyone, other than high(er) demand and low(er) supply.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

d21lewis on 17 December 2021
EricHiggin said:
Norion said:

Last I checked the general exception is for things to overall improve over time with the pandemic since if I remember right a variant popping up that resists vaccines to the extent things are set back to square one is considered an unlikely scenario. The first half of 2022 could be rough with omicron spreading everywhere though.

Even if things were to mostly be back to normal worldwide by holiday 2022, that's more than enough time into a new gen to shift momentum. It's not that much different to get an XB, even an XBSS if you just can't get your hands on a PS5. Some will wait, some won't. Some will stick with the XB, some will trade to PS5 when it's easy to do so. Some will take a shot on a Switch, or even a Steam Deck.

If the pandemic by chance continues as is or get's worse, nothing really changes for anyone, other than high(er) demand and low(er) supply.

I'm just chiming in but I know people who are buying the Oculus Quest 2 because they couldn't get a PlayStation or Xbox. The struggle is real! 



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Metallox on 17 December 2021
Zippy6 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

It is quite surprising to see how disconnected the supply and demand for the PS5 are. It could have probably sold well above Wii levels if it had enough supply, but there is just not enough consoles around. The chip market is a mess.

I think in the console market we've been shielded by how bad it is until now due to this being our first holiday after the pandemic without aging tech. GPU market has been a mess since May/June 2020, and now this November has been a real wakeup call. The Switch is managing for the most part to put out good numbers but the latest consoles that have large powerful chips are completely crippled.

They can supply enough to have decent sales in general weeks, but they've had no opportunity to stockpile units or ramp up production for the holiday season, meaning it's almost like the holidays don't exist at all.

The shipment numbers Sony give in just over a months time will be very important to see, how much they adjust their forecast by, and also in April what they forecast for 2022.

It's sad to see console sales damaged by something other than appeal. A console posting low numbers because it's bad is one thing, but consoles posting sub 400k weeks in December because of an ongoing supply issue with no firm end in sight is very disheartening.

There's nothing sad about it. 



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first. 

Norion on 17 December 2021
EricHiggin said:
Norion said:

Last I checked the general exception is for things to overall improve over time with the pandemic since if I remember right a variant popping up that resists vaccines to the extent things are set back to square one is considered an unlikely scenario. The first half of 2022 could be rough with omicron spreading everywhere though.

Even if things were to mostly be back to normal worldwide by holiday 2022, that's more than enough time into a new gen to shift momentum. It's not that much different to get an XB, even an XBSS if you just can't get your hands on a PS5. Some will wait, some won't. Some will stick with the XB, some will trade to PS5 when it's easy to do so. Some will take a shot on a Switch, or even a Steam Deck.

If the pandemic by chance continues as is or get's worse, nothing really changes for anyone, other than high(er) demand and low(er) supply.

Yeah I do think the PS5 will be harmed by this in the long term since selling say an extra 3 million in 2023 due to pent up demand won't make up for losing say 6 million due to people giving up. I'm glad I have no interest in buying a PS5 or Series X and that my PC is capable enough to last another 2-3 years.



leo-j on 17 December 2021

Let me just say the generational divide in the US between preferences of PS over XB is not as dramatic as it is in Europe or Japan. The 360 era happened, and the choice of platform could move back to Xbox. Xbox series s being readily available, and Microsoft doing pre order gamepass bundles with series X is putting them ahead in sales this holiday season. And it’s looking like with a considerable gap.



 

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src on 17 December 2021
leo-j said:
src said:

There's really nothing to suggest PS5 is losing sales (i.e people waiting for PS5's have chosen to never get a PS5 in the future) due to low stock.
Its selling faster than the PS4, next FY if Sony's prediction is true, is going to sell more than the PS4 ever did, 20% more than the PS4 in 3rd FY and is still dominating Xbox 2:1 WW.

Really? BecUse according to actual accurate data PlayStation is selling abysmal numbers in Japan, the Us, and Spain to say the absolute least. Are we dealing with a situation where they are only sending stock to the UK? Because it fell under Xbox and switch in the US dramatically in November. And there are no PS4 ‘s being made either. 

PS5 was beating PS4 in Japan till recently when there are further stock issues. Sony's global FY expectations put them ahead of PS4, so unless there has been a sudden stock problem, PS5 is simply being shipped globally.

leo-j said:

Let me just say the generational divide in the US between preferences of PS over XB is not as dramatic as it is in Europe or Japan. The 360 era happened, and the choice of platform could move back to Xbox. Xbox series s being readily available, and Microsoft doing pre order gamepass bundles with series X is putting them ahead in sales this holiday season. And it’s looking like with a considerable gap.

Very unlikely. Playstation is simply in a much stronger position. Games like TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon outsold Xbox's biggest IP, Halo in the US. Such a thing was unthinkable during the 360 era.

In recent years, the PS4:XB1 gap in the US has been growing not shrinking.Once stock arrives, I think you'll see PS5 easily pull ahead. After all its selling twice as much on second hand sites while having a $100 premium.



leo-j on 17 December 2021
src said:
leo-j said:

Really? BecUse according to actual accurate data PlayStation is selling abysmal numbers in Japan, the Us, and Spain to say the absolute least. Are we dealing with a situation where they are only sending stock to the UK? Because it fell under Xbox and switch in the US dramatically in November. And there are no PS4 ‘s being made either. 

PS5 was beating PS4 in Japan till recently when there are further stock issues. Sony's global FY expectations put them ahead of PS4, so unless there has been a sudden stock problem, PS5 is simply being shipped globally.

leo-j said:

Let me just say the generational divide in the US between preferences of PS over XB is not as dramatic as it is in Europe or Japan. The 360 era happened, and the choice of platform could move back to Xbox. Xbox series s being readily available, and Microsoft doing pre order gamepass bundles with series X is putting them ahead in sales this holiday season. And it’s looking like with a considerable gap.

Very unlikely. Playstation is simply in a much stronger position. Games like TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon outsold Xbox's biggest IP, Halo in the US. Such a thing was unthinkable during the 360 era.

In recent years, the PS4:XB1 gap in the US has been growing not shrinking.Once stock arrives, I think you'll see PS5 easily pull ahead. After all its selling twice as much on second hand sites while having a $100 premium.

I disagree. They are in a great position with the game content sure, BUT what’s the point if the games launch with no hardware to sell? This is where Microsoft’s gamepass strategy has been genius. Forza is the biggest nextgen game by a landslide with over 10 million downloads because of gamepass. AAA games like Ratchet and Demons Souls barely scratched a million due to stock issues and limitations of platform availability.  Xbox series S is going to sell ps5 2:1 in December just wait and see. The numbers on the major retailers are showing excess series s stock and it’s not just gathering dust it’s selling rapidly , on amazon selling faster than the switch OLED is. Mass market price for an easily available nexgen Xbox with halo invite, forza, and the 3rd parties. Sony launched nothing this holiday season. Deathloop, which is a Microsoft first studio game. And there’s no point, there isn’t any stock. This situation is hurting PlayStation , the fact you can’t sell ps4 or ps5 while Microsoft easily sells Xbox series and Nintendo with switch. This will have an affect on the generation. 



 

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