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Farsala said:
chakkra said:

So.. when are you expecting a direct successor to the 3DS?

Never. We already have an indirect successor in the Switch that sold well.

The Wii U stopped all production when the Switch was announced, while the 3DS continued as normal. A lot of 3DS games stayed exclusive while all Wii U games got converted to Switch.

They are still missing Xenoblade Chronicles X though...



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Farsala said:
chakkra said:

So.. when are you expecting a direct successor to the 3DS?

Never. We already have an indirect successor in the Switch that sold well.

The Wii U stopped all production when the Switch was announced, while the 3DS continued as normal. A lot of 3DS games stayed exclusive while all Wii U games got converted to Switch.

3DS continued as normal? Did the Switch not receive nearly all of the 3DS' support? Ps4 continued as normal after PS5, does that make the Ps5 an indirect successor? Wii kept its software exclusive after Wiiu, does that make Wiiu an indirect successor to Wii?

The WiiU didn't stop production because of Switch, it was already dead. If it sold well, it wouldn't have went down the way it did. In no way shape or form is the Switch not also the 3DS' direct successor. The Wiiu or 3ds nonsense is embarrassing, it really is time to put that bull to bed.

This is just another thinly disguised way of making the Switch whatever we want to fit our agenda. It's a home console or WiiU successor when discussing it's eventual downfall or sales trajectory. It's a handheld or 3DS successor when discussing why it's outselling Playstation. 

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Alex_The_Hedgehog said:
Farsala said:

Never. We already have an indirect successor in the Switch that sold well.

The Wii U stopped all production when the Switch was announced, while the 3DS continued as normal. A lot of 3DS games stayed exclusive while all Wii U games got converted to Switch.

They are still missing Xenoblade Chronicles X though...

The one game that’s a glaring omission. I think star Fox/etc should too but XCX is the last game that NEEDS to switch ocer



Farsala said:
chakkra said:

So.. when are you expecting a direct successor to the 3DS?

Never. We already have an indirect successor in the Switch that sold well.

The Wii U stopped all production when the Switch was announced, while the 3DS continued as normal. A lot of 3DS games stayed exclusive while all Wii U games got converted to Switch.

WiiU games got ported because the platform tanked while 3DS didn't nothing to do with being a successor or not many games even with the attach ratio just didn't reach their sales potential on WiiU so they needed to claw what they spent on them back a prime example of this is Mario Kart, Switch is a direct successor to both platforms. 3DS was supported because they had to maximize profits while the Switch was still taking off and it was the active platform that didn't tank and it wouldn't require as much resources at that point as supporting WiiU at that point would mean dividing resources between two separate HD platforms at the same time something no platform holder can do especially as they can no longer support two platforms in the case of portable and home at the same time anymore.



Switch is the successor to both the 3DS and Wii U; the unification of the previously separate home console and handheld lines.

As for 3DS continuing on after Switch came out, SNES kept getting games after N64 came out, and PS2 sold and got games for years after its replacement. Heck, even the DS got Pokémon Black and White 2 after the launch of the 3DS. PS3/360 overlapped with PS4/Xbone for two whole years.

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I agree partially with Farsala point. Switch was desgined to be the sucessor of both Wii U and 3DS in theory, and Switch Lite would be the plan B if the hybrid tanked. 3DS still got exclusives and their games were not ported to Switch, overall Nintendo was satisfied to give 3DS a end of life and showed commitment with 3DS userbase, something they don't do often. However plans and reality often clash, I don't think the market saw Switch as direct sucessor of 3DS at first

One of the most underestimated reasons for Switch late peak is 3DS. 3DS userbase didn't massively come to Switch until the system was a bit more mature. Remember Switch hybrid model was a entirely new concept and one couldn't be sure by 2017 it was really the hardware that was going to get t all Nintendo IPs (including the ones mostly know for hanhelds like Pokemon and Animal Crossing), as such market showed some skepticism towards Switch. Remember the price trag of 300 USD was so far unheard from handheld gamers.

The next gen will probably see a sharp drop, as Switch 2 or whatever it will be called will not have the same skepticism or confusion. If it will be even worse if the system is fully backwards compatible as it will for all purposes make the original Switch outdated. I guess Nintendo will want it to make a fast transition deploying the same strategy Sony is doing now with PS5 and PS4. As such I'm expecting DS-levels of decline YoY (60% decline when the system launches, 65% decline the year later, 70% decline in the third year followed by death)

The question is how long is Nintendo waiting to launch Switch sucessor. Christmas 2023 seems to early, yet if they are going to use Sony model it makes sense to keep giving strong software releases in the end of life of the console as they will be be upgraded and sold as launch titles of Switch 2. Anyway, I'm betting Christmas 2024 or early 2025



Whether it be direct or indirect, the Switch is still the successor to both the 3DS and the Wii U.

However, support for the Wii U dropped long before the 3DS and moved to the Switch, so that is why I want to differentiate them.

Something like Super Mario Odyssey was in the works for at least 3 years, if not more. Meanwhile in 2017 3DS got Fire Emblem, Metroid, Pokemon, Yoshi etc.



Farsala said:

Whether it be direct or indirect, the Switch is still the successor to both the 3DS and the Wii U.

However, support for the Wii U dropped long before the 3DS and moved to the Switch, so that is why I want to differentiate them.

Something like Super Mario Odyssey was in the works for at least 3 years, if not more. Meanwhile in 2017 3DS got Fire Emblem, Metroid, Pokemon, Yoshi etc.

I agree with you, the switch is a successor to both and the only Nintendo console going forward but it was more of a direct replacement to WiiU.

The pricepoint was WiiU level, not 3ds. The 3DS kept getting its own exclusive games while WiiU got a crossgen game with the Switch and then was completely and immediately replaced by the Switch, with the majority of its games ending up on Switch.

The 3DS kept its identity and place. The WiiU was completely and totally wiped out by the Switch.



WiiU and Switch are both HD platforms that's why support was stopped for the former no platform holder can support two HD platforms at the same time they would have stunted the growth of the Switch in doing so, look at the games that came to 3DS and look at the HD versions the resources required are worlds apart in comparison as mentioned above Nintendo's platforms have gotten support after the release of their successor so that's not really an accurate merit to go by. Odyssey being in development for 3 years means it would have started development around the time when NX was announced which is the point they already knew WiiU couldn't be saved.

As far as the claim that Lite was plan b that's incorrect the Hybrid model already has portability it was impossible for it to not take off in anyway because Nintendo had a monopoly on the portable side of things laid out for them essentially the monopoly was the plan b as it would get the platform in people's homes regardless if they wanted a Nintendo home console or not as for the portable market it was the only choice. What the Lite actually is for is to change households from having one Switch to multiple the same way you could find more than one DS, GB etc... in one household as people buy another model for their partner or kids to use, in regards to skepticism the only skepticism were the usual loud minority on forums the actual reception to Switch was far more positive from the majority outside of that group hence why Switch took of as it did as people weren't looking at it as 300 quid for a portable.



Alex_The_Hedgehog said:
Farsala said:

Never. We already have an indirect successor in the Switch that sold well.

The Wii U stopped all production when the Switch was announced, while the 3DS continued as normal. A lot of 3DS games stayed exclusive while all Wii U games got converted to Switch.

They are still missing Xenoblade Chronicles X though...

And NES Remix :(