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Rank the Switch as a console!

10 25 26.04%
 
9 32 33.33%
 
8 26 27.08%
 
7 7 7.29%
 
6 2 2.08%
 
5 0 0%
 
4 2 2.08%
 
3 2 2.08%
 
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curl-6 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Third parties are mostly multiplat nowadays, we can't really espect them to release as many exclusives as way back in time. The only way to have a door comparison is comparing first parties and second parties 

The last Nintendo console with as many good first and second party games as Switch was SNES

Unless maybe you are thinking on Game Cube, I never had one, so I have no opinion about it. But Switch stomps N64, Wii and Wii U very easily 

I would actually put Wii and N64 well ahead of Switch-to-date in term of high quality 1st and 2nd party games.

I mean, if I were to list the great-or-close-to-great ones I'd go:

Wii: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, DKCR, Mario Kart Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story. (10)

N64: Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie + Tooie, F Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64. (6)

Switch: BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2. (4)

You should say: quality first party games you like. Because you left out a lot of actual quality 1st party games, like Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Luigis Mansion. That is the thing, Switch doesn't have a weak first party library compared to previous gens. It may not have the games you desire though. But the games actually released sell millions each, so I guess these are games a lot of people enjoy.



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curl-6 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Third parties are mostly multiplat nowadays, we can't really espect them to release as many exclusives as way back in time. The only way to have a door comparison is comparing first parties and second parties 

The last Nintendo console with as many good first and second party games as Switch was SNES

Unless maybe you are thinking on Game Cube, I never had one, so I have no opinion about it. But Switch stomps N64, Wii and Wii U very easily 

I would actually put Wii and N64 well ahead of Switch-to-date in term of high quality 1st and 2nd party games.

I mean, if I were to list the great-or-close-to-great ones I'd go:

Wii: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, DKCR, Mario Kart Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story. (10)

N64: Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie + Tooie, F Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64. (6)

Switch: BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2. (4)

I have no idea what a third of your Wii list is supposed to be, but I'm glad you haven't come with 5 different Wii Party titles to make it

On Switch side we got Three Houses, Animal Crossing NH, Ring Fit Adventure, Luigi's Mansion 3 that makes 8 and only in only 4 years, Switch has at least more 5 or 6 first/second party games coming that will absolutely make the list. Potential (among confirmed titles) are Bayonetta, Metroid, Splatoon 3 and BOTW sequel 

(and you forgot Majora's Mask for M64)



Mnementh said:
curl-6 said:

I would actually put Wii and N64 well ahead of Switch-to-date in term of high quality 1st and 2nd party games.

I mean, if I were to list the great-or-close-to-great ones I'd go:

Wii: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, DKCR, Mario Kart Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story. (10)

N64: Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie + Tooie, F Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64. (6)

Switch: BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2. (4)

You should say: quality first party games you like. Because you left out a lot of actual quality 1st party games, like Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Luigis Mansion. That is the thing, Switch doesn't have a weak first party library compared to previous gens. It may not have the games you desire though. But the games actually released sell millions each, so I guess these are games a lot of people enjoy.

Games I like and games I consider quality are one and the same. Quality is a subjective perception. And sales are a non-factor in what constitutes quality to me. 



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

IcaroRibeiro said:
curl-6 said:

I would actually put Wii and N64 well ahead of Switch-to-date in term of high quality 1st and 2nd party games.

I mean, if I were to list the great-or-close-to-great ones I'd go:

Wii: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, DKCR, Mario Kart Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story. (10)

N64: Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie + Tooie, F Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64. (6)

Switch: BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2. (4)

I have no idea what a third of your Wii list is supposed to be, but I'm glad you haven't come with 5 different Wii Party titles to make it

On Switch side we got Three Houses, Animal Crossing NH, Ring Fit Adventure, Luigi's Mansion 3 that makes 8 and only in only 4 years, Switch has at least more 5 or 6 first/second party games coming that will absolutely make the list. Potential (among confirmed titles) are Bayonetta, Metroid, Splatoon 3 and BOTW sequel 

(and you forgot Majora's Mask for M64)

Luigi's Mansion 3 is a good game, as is Yoshi's Crafted World, I was just counting the great (or close to great) ones.

I do expect Splatoon 3 and BOTW's sequel to make the list as well, but personally I've given up hope on Bayonetta 3 or Metroid Prime 4 ever seeing the light of day.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Third parties are mostly multiplat nowadays, we can't really espect them to release as many exclusives as way back in time. The only way to have a door comparison is comparing first parties and second parties 

The last Nintendo console with as many good first and second party games as Switch was SNES

Unless maybe you are thinking on Game Cube, I never had one, so I have no opinion about it. But Switch stomps N64, Wii and Wii U very easily 

I would actually put Wii and N64 well ahead of Switch-to-date in term of high quality 1st and 2nd party games.

I mean, if I were to list the great-or-close-to-great ones I'd go:

Wii: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, DKCR, Mario Kart Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story. (10)

N64: Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie + Tooie, F Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64. (6)

Switch: BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2. (4)

For me, Switch needs to have Fire Emblem Three Houses, Astral Chain (Nintendo published, so 2nd party), Luigi's Mansion 3 (2nd party), Smash Ultimate, Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Mario Plus Rabbids (Nintendo published, so 2nd party) added to that list of greats, so thay makes the number 10 for me.

And even with that, I give honorable mention to Paper Mario Origami King (I really enjoyed this, but it could have been better) and Age of Calamity (Also really enjoyed, but not quite a great).

Keep in mind that all of this 2nd party talk is based under the definition of a 2nd party being a 3rd party, that is working with a console maker to produce and exclusive game with the console maker themselves publishing it.



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Shiken said:
curl-6 said:

I would actually put Wii and N64 well ahead of Switch-to-date in term of high quality 1st and 2nd party games.

I mean, if I were to list the great-or-close-to-great ones I'd go:

Wii: Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, DKCR, Mario Kart Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story. (10)

N64: Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie + Tooie, F Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64. (6)

Switch: BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2. (4)

For me, Switch needs to have Fire Emblem Three Houses, Astral Chain (Nintendo published, so 2nd party), Luigi's Mansion 3 (2nd party), Smash Ultimate, Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Mario Plus Rabbids (Nintendo published, so 2nd party) added to that list of greats, so thay makes the number 10 for me.

And even with that, I give honorable mention to Paper Mario Origami King (I really enjoyed this, but it could have been better) and Age of Calamity (Also really enjoyed, but not quite a great).

Keep in mind that all of this 2nd party talk is based under the definition of a 2nd party being a 3rd party, that is working with a console maker to produce and exclusive game with the console maker themselves publishing it.

I was counting second parties the same way; for me Luigi's Mansion 3, developed by Next Level before their purchase by Nintendo, for example, is a good game but not quite great, same for Yoshi's Crafted World. (By Good Feel)



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I have no idea what a third of your Wii list is supposed to be, but I'm glad you haven't come with 5 different Wii Party titles to make it

On Switch side we got Three Houses, Animal Crossing NH, Ring Fit Adventure, Luigi's Mansion 3 that makes 8 and only in only 4 years, Switch has at least more 5 or 6 first/second party games coming that will absolutely make the list. Potential (among confirmed titles) are Bayonetta, Metroid, Splatoon 3 and BOTW sequel 

(and you forgot Majora's Mask for M64)

Luigi's Mansion 3 is a good game, as is Yoshi's Crafted World, I was just counting the great (or close to great) ones.

I do expect Splatoon 3 and BOTW's sequel to make the list as well, but personally I've given up hope on Bayonetta 3 or Metroid Prime 4 ever seeing the light of day.

Mario Maker 2?



javi741 said:
curl-6 said:

Luigi's Mansion 3 is a good game, as is Yoshi's Crafted World, I was just counting the great (or close to great) ones.

I do expect Splatoon 3 and BOTW's sequel to make the list as well, but personally I've given up hope on Bayonetta 3 or Metroid Prime 4 ever seeing the light of day.

Mario Maker 2?

Games focused on user generated content don't really feel worth it to me and while it did have a single player component which I watched my little brother play through, it felt more like a series of tutorials.

That said, I'd love a new AAA 2D Mario on Switch.

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Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

This trailer still brings a tear to my eye. Probably the most epic game trailer I've seen.



Shiken said:
curl-6 said:

Torna was designed as an expansion and it remained one; it is not its own game, and remakes are not new games either.

I stand by most of Switch's best first party content being recycled Wii U ports, and its actual exclusive lineup being subpar by Nintendo standards.

It's a Nintendo system so that's what I'll compare it against, and when set next to their other stronger efforts it falls short thus far.

Again though, it's a long way from done hopefully so by the end of its life it may have surpassed them all, but this is why I give it an 8/10 and not a 10/10 at this date.

If Torna is not a stand alone prequel game, what can I walk into walmart and buy a physical copy, and play it without the need of to own or play Xenoblade 2?

DLC is content added to a game, Torna is its own game with its own 30-40 hour length.

Your Link's Awakening logic is fine as long as you look at Miles Morales and Demon Souls as DLC and a remaster as well.  (you probably do though, which is fine).

Your preference of WiiU ports is your opinion.  I enjoyed the new content more and I did not even have a WiiU for games outside of the Zelda ports, so we will have to agree to disagree here.  You have every right to that stance, it is the people who never even owned a WiiU or Switch saying it that comes off as reaching downplay.

You 100%ed Torna in 30 hours? That's way too long, I'd say. 



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first.