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Dante9 said:
There is no such thing as right wing games, to my knowledge at least and I have been gaming for 35 years. The left were the ones to introduce politics into games as they have done with movies, TV and whatnot. They have polarized everything that used to be just non-partisan entertainment. I guess if you're not pushing left wing talking points in your game, your game becomes right wing by default.

That is wrong. I think the labels of left-wing and right-wing are stupid, as politics has much more shades than black and white. But the notion that games are inherently apolitical is also wrong. As a product of our culture that in turn is shaped by politics they obviously transpire these unconscious political beliefs. If you don't believe it, watch 100 years old movies or read 200 years old books. As our culture has evolved this inherent biases are more visible in old cultural products than in current ones.

Naturally there are also conscious attempts at introducing politics in games. Oliver North was an important figure in the Iran-Contra affair and appeared in Call of Duty. Having such a high profile political figure in your game means you give away the apolitical card. Obviously there are games for everything, including even games for genociding jews. And while I wouldn't put a game like America's Army into a left or right camp, it is an obvious political propaganda game. The list is endless if you want to look at it.

So in conclusion: there exist games that have a political message - and this in every conceivable political flavor. Also games that aren't intended to be political at all might have unconscious political beliefs baked into their cultural background (as all media does). The unconscious part by the way is neither left or right, as it is about something deeply ingrained that is shared by all mainstream-politicians. For instance, these days everyone agrees slavery is bad, so we can assume it is deeply ingrained. But that wasn't always the case (although back then didn't exist games yet).



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Well right wing, left wing, chicken wing

It's built on finding the easier ways through

...

Is there any, chicken wing games?

Stars are Projectors reference?  Awesome!



Mnementh said:
Dante9 said:
There is no such thing as right wing games, to my knowledge at least and I have been gaming for 35 years. The left were the ones to introduce politics into games as they have done with movies, TV and whatnot. They have polarized everything that used to be just non-partisan entertainment. I guess if you're not pushing left wing talking points in your game, your game becomes right wing by default.

That is wrong. I think the labels of left-wing and right-wing are stupid, as politics has much more shades than black and white. But the notion that games are inherently apolitical is also wrong. As a product of our culture that in turn is shaped by politics they obviously transpire these unconscious political beliefs. If you don't believe it, watch 100 years old movies or read 200 years old books. As our culture has evolved this inherent biases are more visible in old cultural products than in current ones.

Naturally there are also conscious attempts at introducing politics in games. Oliver North was an important figure in the Iran-Contra affair and appeared in Call of Duty. Having such a high profile political figure in your game means you give away the apolitical card. Obviously there are games for everything, including even games for genociding jews. And while I wouldn't put a game like America's Army into a left or right camp, it is an obvious political propaganda game. The list is endless if you want to look at it.

So in conclusion: there exist games that have a political message - and this in every conceivable political flavor. Also games that aren't intended to be political at all might have unconscious political beliefs baked into their cultural background (as all media does). The unconscious part by the way is neither left or right, as it is about something deeply ingrained that is shared by all mainstream-politicians. For instance, these days everyone agrees slavery is bad, so we can assume it is deeply ingrained. But that wasn't always the case (although back then didn't exist games yet).

Culture of course changes over time and culture can be depicted without taking a political stand. Showing things that were/are real doesn't mean taking a stand, it's just using real things as a setting. It's not to say that things were good or bad, but that this is how they were.

Sure, there can be unconscious bias, such things are unavoidable and mostly go unnoticed as well. Your own slant also affects how you see things, even things intended to be neutral can seem like something else because of your own biases, so it works both ways. However, a truly political game is very much in your face, deliberately talking about a certain subject and it often feels awkward and out of place, like a lecture out of nowhere that doesn't really pertain to the plot at hand. Only leftist stuff has made me feel this way in games, and I'm not even a right winger myself.



Dante9 said:
Mnementh said:

That is wrong. I think the labels of left-wing and right-wing are stupid, as politics has much more shades than black and white. But the notion that games are inherently apolitical is also wrong. As a product of our culture that in turn is shaped by politics they obviously transpire these unconscious political beliefs. If you don't believe it, watch 100 years old movies or read 200 years old books. As our culture has evolved this inherent biases are more visible in old cultural products than in current ones.

Naturally there are also conscious attempts at introducing politics in games. Oliver North was an important figure in the Iran-Contra affair and appeared in Call of Duty. Having such a high profile political figure in your game means you give away the apolitical card. Obviously there are games for everything, including even games for genociding jews. And while I wouldn't put a game like America's Army into a left or right camp, it is an obvious political propaganda game. The list is endless if you want to look at it.

So in conclusion: there exist games that have a political message - and this in every conceivable political flavor. Also games that aren't intended to be political at all might have unconscious political beliefs baked into their cultural background (as all media does). The unconscious part by the way is neither left or right, as it is about something deeply ingrained that is shared by all mainstream-politicians. For instance, these days everyone agrees slavery is bad, so we can assume it is deeply ingrained. But that wasn't always the case (although back then didn't exist games yet).

Culture of course changes over time and culture can be depicted without taking a political stand. Showing things that were/are real doesn't mean taking a stand, it's just using real things as a setting. It's not to say that things were good or bad, but that this is how they were.

Sure, there can be unconscious bias, such things are unavoidable and mostly go unnoticed as well. Your own slant also affects how you see things, even things intended to be neutral can seem like something else because of your own biases, so it works both ways. However, a truly political game is very much in your face, deliberately talking about a certain subject and it often feels awkward and out of place, like a lecture out of nowhere that doesn't really pertain to the plot at hand. Only leftist stuff has made me feel this way in games, and I'm not even a right winger myself.

Oliver North in COD doesn't feel in your face? America's Army (while neither left or right wing) doesn't feel in your face?



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I know this is not the subject of the thread, but I find scarcely accurate how I love almost everything on left wing side and just don't care for the games on the right wing size (minus DQ)

However, this must be really biased towards more family-friend games and games for kids/young adults. A game like Rayman have no space whatsoever for any kind of political assertion, so what's the point to label it as left wing ?



shikamaru317 said:
YukikoAmagi said:

Sigh, I just can't resist the urge.

So, first issue. You should probably provide a source for the picture, because you saying it's a left-wing individual cannot really be verified otherwise. Though I agree that the individual probably considers themselves to be left-wing. I agree that the picture is bad, though it's not for the same reasons you do.

Tried to find the original source, but didn't have much luck. The guy saying that it was made my a left winger on Tumblr was one of the top replies on Twitter, but he didn't post a link to the original source. But while searching for the original source for you, I stumbled upon this other disaster image:

This one is even stupider than the first one. 

The fuck

Do gamers still finding they are smarter because they know how to use a joystick to play a software? I thought people stopped behave like this years ago 



Mnementh said:
Dante9 said:

Culture of course changes over time and culture can be depicted without taking a political stand. Showing things that were/are real doesn't mean taking a stand, it's just using real things as a setting. It's not to say that things were good or bad, but that this is how they were.

Sure, there can be unconscious bias, such things are unavoidable and mostly go unnoticed as well. Your own slant also affects how you see things, even things intended to be neutral can seem like something else because of your own biases, so it works both ways. However, a truly political game is very much in your face, deliberately talking about a certain subject and it often feels awkward and out of place, like a lecture out of nowhere that doesn't really pertain to the plot at hand. Only leftist stuff has made me feel this way in games, and I'm not even a right winger myself.

Oliver North in COD doesn't feel in your face? America's Army (while neither left or right wing) doesn't feel in your face?

As I'm not American and I was very young at the time he was on the scene, I must say that I'm not really familiar with Oliver North. I've heard his name and I know he has to do with the military, but that's about it. But if you make a game that portrays American warfare in the eighties, I'd say Oliver North fits in there rather naturally, don't you think?

I don't know anything about America's Army either, but from the name alone I guess you could say that it's a bit pro military. Is the military a right wing thing?



Dante9 said:
Mnementh said:

Oliver North in COD doesn't feel in your face? America's Army (while neither left or right wing) doesn't feel in your face?

As I'm not American and I was very young at the time he was on the scene, I must say that I'm not really familiar with Oliver North. I've heard his name and I know he has to do with the military, but that's about it. But if you make a game that portrays American warfare in the eighties, I'd say Oliver North fits in there rather naturally, don't you think?

I don't know anything about America's Army either, but from the name alone I guess you could say that it's a bit pro military. Is the military a right wing thing?

Oliver North isn't just any military dude, he is one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra affair. As that is one of the biggest foreign politics blunders of the second half of the last century, I would say that is pretty much a very sensitive political topic. Having business with Oliver North back then is as shady as having some with Epstein in the past few years. It was discussion how much the Reagan-administration was involved in the deal, but one thing is pretty clear: Oliver North was involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

As for Americas Army: I directly said it doesn't fit into right or left wing scheme. Because as much as that might surprise you, a lot of politic issues don't directly fit into dems vs. reps or right vs. left wing. But propaganda for the american military and their causes is clearly political.

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Mnementh said:
Dante9 said:

As I'm not American and I was very young at the time he was on the scene, I must say that I'm not really familiar with Oliver North. I've heard his name and I know he has to do with the military, but that's about it. But if you make a game that portrays American warfare in the eighties, I'd say Oliver North fits in there rather naturally, don't you think?

I don't know anything about America's Army either, but from the name alone I guess you could say that it's a bit pro military. Is the military a right wing thing?

Oliver North isn't just any military dude, he is one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra affair. As that is one of the biggest foreign politics blunders of the second half of the last century, I would say that is pretty much a very sensitive political topic. Having business with Oliver North back then is as shady as having some with Epstein in the past few years. It was discussion how much the Reagan-administration was involved in the deal, but one thing is pretty clear: Oliver North was involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

As for Americas Army: I directly said it doesn't fit into right or left wing scheme. Because as much as that might surprise you, a lot of politic issues don't directly fit into dems vs. reps or right vs. left wing. But propaganda for the american military and their causes is clearly political.

Yup, North was a shady character in that regard. Does that mean that we should pretend he did not exist, when making a war game set in the eighties? What's your point here? Do you think the developers are trying to push some kind of agenda by having North in the game?

America's Army is military propaganda, yes, but that's a fringe phenomenon. I can't think of any other faction than the military that has to toot their own horn like this. Seems pretty harmless, albeit political in the sense that they want to justify their existence and promote recruitment. It's not like, say, a Dark Souls character suddenly lecturing you about the need for military funding. Something comparable to that has sometimes popped up from the left in certain games.