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shikamaru317 said:
YukikoAmagi said:

Sigh, I just can't resist the urge.

So, first issue. You should probably provide a source for the picture, because you saying it's a left-wing individual cannot really be verified otherwise. Though I agree that the individual probably considers themselves to be left-wing. I agree that the picture is bad, though it's not for the same reasons you do.

Tried to find the original source, but didn't have much luck. The guy saying that it was made my a left winger on Tumblr was one of the top replies on Twitter, but he didn't post a link to the original source. But while searching for the original source for you, I stumbled upon this other disaster image:

This one is even stupider than the first one. 

So, in short, either you're dumb as a brick or you're a pussy for playing video games. Probably not the message the author wanted to tell, but that's what it says.

Also, all Nintendo games are in the Soyboy category, so he thinks Ninty games are not for men? He should test himself for testosterone poisoning... or get out of the closet!



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vivster said:
OneTime said:

In most countries there are moderate left wing and right wing options.  Your particular choice (whichever ever it is) is *not* right 80% of the time.  You just think it is, because you only read news that supports your own choice.

Moderates are by definition more right than anyone else, because they are more sensible in their policy and willing to compromise. It would be a disaster if we had parties that aren't more than 50% in their policy in the right. Or maybe you have a different view of what policy is considered "right".

Germany has been doing mighty fine with their main parties. We have been ruled by the CDU for the past 15 years, which is an undeniably right wing party. While I would never ever vote for them they have made mostly the right decisions, some that may be considered far left by certain countries. That happens when human rights are not considered to be a political statement, but a basic need.

In countries where human rights are a contentious issue, politicians will be more often wrong than right.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but you don't seem to get that my original post was a joke.



shikamaru317 said:
YukikoAmagi said:

Sigh, I just can't resist the urge.

So, first issue. You should probably provide a source for the picture, because you saying it's a left-wing individual cannot really be verified otherwise. Though I agree that the individual probably considers themselves to be left-wing. I agree that the picture is bad, though it's not for the same reasons you do.

Tried to find the original source, but didn't have much luck. The guy saying that it was made my a left winger on Tumblr was one of the top replies on Twitter, but he didn't post a link to the original source. But while searching for the original source for you, I stumbled upon this other disaster image:

This one is even stupider than the first one. 

I always find it amusing how a certain culture has all this superstition about vegetables and legumes giving them estrogen and taking away their testosterone. Yet, they think all the narcotics, bleached chickens, packaged crap, and pink-slime based “restaurant” shit they shove into their gut is just fine =P



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

There is no such thing as right wing games, to my knowledge at least and I have been gaming for 35 years. The left were the ones to introduce politics into games as they have done with movies, TV and whatnot. They have polarized everything that used to be just non-partisan entertainment. I guess if you're not pushing left wing talking points in your game, your game becomes right wing by default.



Dante9 said:
There is no such thing as right wing games, to my knowledge at least and I have been gaming for 35 years. The left were the ones to introduce politics into games as they have done with movies, TV and whatnot. They have polarized everything that used to be just non-partisan entertainment. I guess if you're not pushing left wing talking points in your game, your game becomes right wing by default.

That is wrong. I think the labels of left-wing and right-wing are stupid, as politics has much more shades than black and white. But the notion that games are inherently apolitical is also wrong. As a product of our culture that in turn is shaped by politics they obviously transpire these unconscious political beliefs. If you don't believe it, watch 100 years old movies or read 200 years old books. As our culture has evolved this inherent biases are more visible in old cultural products than in current ones.

Naturally there are also conscious attempts at introducing politics in games. Oliver North was an important figure in the Iran-Contra affair and appeared in Call of Duty. Having such a high profile political figure in your game means you give away the apolitical card. Obviously there are games for everything, including even games for genociding jews. And while I wouldn't put a game like America's Army into a left or right camp, it is an obvious political propaganda game. The list is endless if you want to look at it.

So in conclusion: there exist games that have a political message - and this in every conceivable political flavor. Also games that aren't intended to be political at all might have unconscious political beliefs baked into their cultural background (as all media does). The unconscious part by the way is neither left or right, as it is about something deeply ingrained that is shared by all mainstream-politicians. For instance, these days everyone agrees slavery is bad, so we can assume it is deeply ingrained. But that wasn't always the case (although back then didn't exist games yet).



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Well right wing, left wing, chicken wing

It's built on finding the easier ways through

...

Is there any, chicken wing games?

Stars are Projectors reference?  Awesome!



Mnementh said:
Dante9 said:
There is no such thing as right wing games, to my knowledge at least and I have been gaming for 35 years. The left were the ones to introduce politics into games as they have done with movies, TV and whatnot. They have polarized everything that used to be just non-partisan entertainment. I guess if you're not pushing left wing talking points in your game, your game becomes right wing by default.

That is wrong. I think the labels of left-wing and right-wing are stupid, as politics has much more shades than black and white. But the notion that games are inherently apolitical is also wrong. As a product of our culture that in turn is shaped by politics they obviously transpire these unconscious political beliefs. If you don't believe it, watch 100 years old movies or read 200 years old books. As our culture has evolved this inherent biases are more visible in old cultural products than in current ones.

Naturally there are also conscious attempts at introducing politics in games. Oliver North was an important figure in the Iran-Contra affair and appeared in Call of Duty. Having such a high profile political figure in your game means you give away the apolitical card. Obviously there are games for everything, including even games for genociding jews. And while I wouldn't put a game like America's Army into a left or right camp, it is an obvious political propaganda game. The list is endless if you want to look at it.

So in conclusion: there exist games that have a political message - and this in every conceivable political flavor. Also games that aren't intended to be political at all might have unconscious political beliefs baked into their cultural background (as all media does). The unconscious part by the way is neither left or right, as it is about something deeply ingrained that is shared by all mainstream-politicians. For instance, these days everyone agrees slavery is bad, so we can assume it is deeply ingrained. But that wasn't always the case (although back then didn't exist games yet).

Culture of course changes over time and culture can be depicted without taking a political stand. Showing things that were/are real doesn't mean taking a stand, it's just using real things as a setting. It's not to say that things were good or bad, but that this is how they were.

Sure, there can be unconscious bias, such things are unavoidable and mostly go unnoticed as well. Your own slant also affects how you see things, even things intended to be neutral can seem like something else because of your own biases, so it works both ways. However, a truly political game is very much in your face, deliberately talking about a certain subject and it often feels awkward and out of place, like a lecture out of nowhere that doesn't really pertain to the plot at hand. Only leftist stuff has made me feel this way in games, and I'm not even a right winger myself.



Dante9 said:
Mnementh said:

That is wrong. I think the labels of left-wing and right-wing are stupid, as politics has much more shades than black and white. But the notion that games are inherently apolitical is also wrong. As a product of our culture that in turn is shaped by politics they obviously transpire these unconscious political beliefs. If you don't believe it, watch 100 years old movies or read 200 years old books. As our culture has evolved this inherent biases are more visible in old cultural products than in current ones.

Naturally there are also conscious attempts at introducing politics in games. Oliver North was an important figure in the Iran-Contra affair and appeared in Call of Duty. Having such a high profile political figure in your game means you give away the apolitical card. Obviously there are games for everything, including even games for genociding jews. And while I wouldn't put a game like America's Army into a left or right camp, it is an obvious political propaganda game. The list is endless if you want to look at it.

So in conclusion: there exist games that have a political message - and this in every conceivable political flavor. Also games that aren't intended to be political at all might have unconscious political beliefs baked into their cultural background (as all media does). The unconscious part by the way is neither left or right, as it is about something deeply ingrained that is shared by all mainstream-politicians. For instance, these days everyone agrees slavery is bad, so we can assume it is deeply ingrained. But that wasn't always the case (although back then didn't exist games yet).

Culture of course changes over time and culture can be depicted without taking a political stand. Showing things that were/are real doesn't mean taking a stand, it's just using real things as a setting. It's not to say that things were good or bad, but that this is how they were.

Sure, there can be unconscious bias, such things are unavoidable and mostly go unnoticed as well. Your own slant also affects how you see things, even things intended to be neutral can seem like something else because of your own biases, so it works both ways. However, a truly political game is very much in your face, deliberately talking about a certain subject and it often feels awkward and out of place, like a lecture out of nowhere that doesn't really pertain to the plot at hand. Only leftist stuff has made me feel this way in games, and I'm not even a right winger myself.

Oliver North in COD doesn't feel in your face? America's Army (while neither left or right wing) doesn't feel in your face?



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Thanks for sharing the difference of wing games



I know this is not the subject of the thread, but I find scarcely accurate how I love almost everything on left wing side and just don't care for the games on the right wing size (minus DQ)

However, this must be really biased towards more family-friend games and games for kids/young adults. A game like Rayman have no space whatsoever for any kind of political assertion, so what's the point to label it as left wing ?