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Will you be buying this storage?

Yes 10 20.83%
 
No 38 79.17%
 
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mutantsushi said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

PCI 4.0 SSD's that will exceed PS5 speed enough to brute force compatibility will be out later this year. You won't have to wait for 5.0 which wouldn't be compatible anyway. 

Whoops, that is what I meant, but thanks for the correction. Still an expensive spec for now, although being 'open' the price should come down.

Yeah I just saw the UK prices and it is way over market. Shame they didn't open it up like Sony did allowing for extra deals to take advantage of.



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expensive but I'm betting on great black friday deals starting from 2021, maybe as high as 50% if we're lucky enough with the overall PCIe4 storage falling cost,
I'll even wage there'll be some deals this year maybe 15%-25%.

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ArchangelMadzz said:
mutantsushi said:
The question of required specs for PS5 to use off the shelf SSDs does remind me of Sony's custom I/O controller (e.g. the 6 levels of prioritization Cerny mentions),
Seems like that could be attractive as open spec, let's call it "Play I/O", that SSD makers could utilize and market as performance standard games might target.
Beyond a certain point massively higher speeds don't seem that imporant to consumers, and higher tier I/O system seems more efficient way to deliver performance.
In other words SSD makers could still differentiate themselves as "more premium" using "smarter" I/O control rather than more expensive underlying flash chips etc.
They could still offer higher speeds than PS5, with faster underlying chips and same I/O controller architecture, consolidating on standard for latter still being useful.
Sony would benefit by having it standardized because every performance dependent game would be optimized for PS5's architecture, ensuring it's well supported.

Anyways, in absense of that, yeah it looks like you'll just need an off the shelf PCIe5 NVME SSD with speeds slightly above Sony's to compensate simpler controller.

PCI 4.0 SSD's that will exceed PS5 speed enough to brute force compatibility will be out later this year. You won't have to wait for 5.0 which wouldn't be compatible anyway. 

PCI-E 5.0 drives will be compatible with PCI-E 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 systems like the Playstation 5.

PCI-E is robust that way.



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mutantsushi said:
EricHiggin said:

The transfer speed from a slow internal NVMe to on board NVMe should be remarkably faster than external USB 3.0 (HDD) to on board NVMe. It would also allow for a much cleaner look not having a separate external drive.

Certainly if you have such an SSD lying around already, that's a reasonable solution if you are OK with copying games back and forth
when you want to play game you haven't touched recently, with notably faster copy speeds than just a HDD, even if not full PS5 spec.

Like when I bought the SSD's for our new PC's I built in the new year, the Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB NVMe drives I got were $80 each on sale. The 1TB version was around $130. Something like that would be great to use as a back up and should have extremely fast transfer speeds for a reasonable price. Now $130 get's you a lot more storage in an external HDD, but if you'd be willing to sacrifice some space for aesthetics, it would be a nice option. Whether or not that ends up being an option on PS5 I dunno, but right now it doesn't exactly seem like it.



Pemalite said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

PCI 4.0 SSD's that will exceed PS5 speed enough to brute force compatibility will be out later this year. You won't have to wait for 5.0 which wouldn't be compatible anyway. 

PCI-E 5.0 drives will be compatible with PCI-E 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 systems like the Playstation 5.

PCI-E is robust that way.

I mean yeah. I'm just saying a PCIe 5 drive will run at PCIe 4 speeds in a PCIe 4 slot of course. 

But gotta love compatibility



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EricHiggin said:

Whether or not that ends up being an option on PS5 I dunno, but right now it doesn't exactly seem like it.

I don't think you need to worry, Cerny's Road to PS5 video linked on previous page explicitly discusses storing PS4 games on external HD and copying them to and from onboard SSD. An SSD that didn't meet the Sony spec should basically fall in the same category as HD there, and I don't see any technical impediment to copying PS5 games to such a non-spec drive, even if they can't be played while stored there. 



About what I expected. I'm just going to keep using my 5TB HDD and transfer games in and out. There will never be a time I'm playing 1TB worth of games at one time.



smroadkill15 said:
About what I expected. I'm just going to keep using my 5TB HDD and transfer games in and out. There will never be a time I'm playing 1TB worth of games at one time.

I'm the same. But I do want everything installed... Because if I am going to spend 8-12 hours or more fighting a fire, cutting someone out of a vehicle, scaling down a cliff... And I come home and intend to relax, the last thing I even remotely want to do is wait hours more installing and updating a video game or stuffing around with game transfers.

I would ideally need around 16-20 terabytes of storage to last me the entire generation I think.



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Pemalite said:
smroadkill15 said:
About what I expected. I'm just going to keep using my 5TB HDD and transfer games in and out. There will never be a time I'm playing 1TB worth of games at one time.

I'm the same. But I do want everything installed... Because if I am going to spend 8-12 hours or more fighting a fire, cutting someone out of a vehicle, scaling down a cliff... And I come home and intend to relax, the last thing I even remotely want to do is wait hours more installing and updating a video game or stuffing around with game transfers.

I would ideally need around 16-20 terabytes of storage to last me the entire generation I think.

Damn that is a shit ton of storage, but I get the, everything installed part. I filled up 95% of mine before I realized I needed to start deleting games. Now I manage my storage and delete stuff if I haven't played it in awhile. 

Btw, thank for what you do. Where do you fight fires at? 



smroadkill15 said:
About what I expected. I'm just going to keep using my 5TB HDD and transfer games in and out. There will never be a time I'm playing 1TB worth of games at one time.

That's what I'm going to do. I just bought a 2.5'' 5 TB HDD for that a few days ago and already transfered all my Xbox games on it.

When/If the prices for the proprietary Xbox-SSD drop later, I maybe add one to the internal 1 TB and external 5 TB.