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loy310 on 17 September 2020

Who cares that these games are cross gen? Glad late PS5 adopters that cant afford a PS5 at launch can still play them on their PS4.

My issue here is consumer trust, Sony lost some of that today by not being up front about cross from the jump.
They literally used manipulation to build community hype. To me thats wrong, Sony should know better and it will be just a lil bit harder to trust them on their word going forward.
Trust in all relationships is a big deal, again they should have known better.



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ironmanDX on 17 September 2020
Intrinsic said:
mutantsushi said:
"Not so long ago people were drooling over the horizon trailer now just bc there's a ps4 version announcement I only see despise for the game... How shallow a person can be.. guess it's only the next gen status that matters Let it go your ego, just assume you were admiring a cross gen title"

That seems absurd, I agree it doesn't detract from game itself, but the integrity of Sony's messaging is legit topic to address.
It is possible to still like Horizon as a game, while also confronting hypocrisy and fakeness of Sony's messaging up to now.
Certainly this is nothing strange to expect by normal dynamics of game industry, but Sony was one who posed as anti-crossgen.

I knew this was gonna be blown outta proportion. But someone has to say it I guess.

There has been no lost integrity here. And people pushing this agenda are being obtuse cause all the facts are right in front of them. MS said they do not believe in generations and said that everything the make or the next two years would be cross-gen. That is what people were against. Sony said they believe in generations, they NEVER said anything about not doing anything cross-gen or making everything cross-gen.

Sony has announced 7 fist party titles for the first year. GOW, Ratchet, Demon Souls, Horizon, Spiderman, LBP, All-stars. 3 are cross-gen, 4 are not. How many Xbox first-party games are confirmed to be next-gen exclusive?

Or if that's not clear enough, tell me how saying "w believe in generations" means that you will not release a single cross-gen game.

While I agree they didn't specifically say that.... it's what everyone thought the message was. The reaction to both xbox cross platform games and now this announcement just validates that opinion.

If they had been more transparent and just announced a PS4 version from the beginning, sure some may have been disappointed but the smoke would have cleared by now and it would be a non-issue.



Otter on 17 September 2020
dane007 said:
Does that means hzd reveal was just a cgi trailer

"captured on PS5" with visible artefacts if you zoom in, so no its not CGI. But Im sure many shots were not in-game but from in-engine cutscenes.



Intrinsic on 17 September 2020
ironmanDX said:

While I agree they didn't specifically say that.... it's what everyone thought the message was. The reaction to both xbox cross platform games and now this announcement just validates that opinion.

If they had been more transparent and just announced a PS4 version from the beginning, sure some may have been disappointed but the smoke would have cleared by now and it would be a non-issue.

 agree that sony needs to work on their messaging. I have even said that in one of the many threads that popped up. That has always been the single biggest issue I have with any too. Their messaging, and even as we type right now, they are still doing it. There are a lot of things that they can do, show or say that would just make a lot of things easier on everyone and answer the questions everyone has. Bt as always, sony would just stay silent, then when they do talk... there are always stuff they leave out. And I agree with what you are saying about just being transparent.

However, what I am not agreeing with as that there are a lot of people acting like sony has/was lying or being deceitful. I don't think that's the case at all being that all these announcements were made before the console or the game came out. Imagine they kept quiet of all this, then in December they go and say "oh MM is also coming to the PS4 and it's available digitally right now". They said they believe in generations, I just don't see how 3 cross-gen games out of the like 7 announced games in the first year alone mean they have somehow lied.

To lie would have been to say "we will not release anything on the PS4 anymore" and then they do this. They never said that. All they said was, we believe in generations.



ArchangelMadzz on 17 September 2020
DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Just weird to have little removals like that, then you'd rightfully expect as a PS4 owner for the game to be cheaper. But Sony are doing free next gen upgrades so then you'd just buy the PS4 version and upgrade. 

So either they charge PS4 owners the same for a game with less content or they strip the ps5 version of perks and features. 

Horizon came out in 2017, I don't know if specs were finalised at that time maybe 2018 and we wouldn't have a PS4 version. It's unfortunate nonetheless. I do expect a PS4 version of GT7 but I'd be surprised if we saw anything else. 

The games being different don`t mean you got content striped that would justify it being sold for less than the other. And probably you would also complain if PS4 version was 60 and PS5 version was 70 wouldn`t you? And it is very silly to ask to strip the PS5 version of features because they aren`t possible on the PS4.

I feel like you didn't understand what I was saying. 

If the PS4 version was cheaper then fine. But Sony have already committed to next gen upgrades for free, so that would just mean ps5 owners could just save money and buy the PS4 version then upgrade to the ps5 version for free. That doesn't make much sense. Unless they abandon that and if you buy the PS4 version you'll have to pay more for the ps5 version.



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Dgc1808 on 17 September 2020

https://www.pcgamer.com/hell-yeah-the-demons-souls-remake-is-coming-to-pc/

Demon's Souls is a launch title and true exclusive. There's something for me!!!



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Intrinsic on 17 September 2020
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

The games being different don`t mean you got content striped that would justify it being sold for less than the other. And probably you would also complain if PS4 version was 60 and PS5 version was 70 wouldn`t you? And it is very silly to ask to strip the PS5 version of features because they aren`t possible on the PS4.

I feel like you didn't understand what I was saying. 

If the PS4 version was cheaper then fine. But Sony have already committed to next gen upgrades for free, so that would just mean ps5 owners could just save money and buy the PS4 version then upgrade to the ps5 version for free. That doesn't make much sense. Unless they abandon that and if you buy the PS4 version you'll have to pay more for the ps5 version.

Nope... you gotta read the fine print with Sony.

The three games that are cross-gen are Spiderman:MM, Sackboy adventures, and HFW. Now being that HFW is still far off there is little info on it, but you can clearly see what they are doing from everything else.

Spiderman is being sold as a "very expensive" DLC. At $50. Thats what both the PS4 and PS5 owners are going to pay. However, if you buy the Ultimate edition of S:MM, then you get Spiderman (remastered/with all the next-gen bells and whistles) + Spiderman:MM, but that's priced at their new next-gen game pricing of $70. Now there is no word on if people that already own spiderman on the PS4 get a free upgrade on their game (I assume they would), but if that's the case then such people wouldn't have to buy the ultimate edition. Basically the ultimate edition is for people that haven't bought any spiderman game at all and want both games.

Then look at Sackboy adventures, Notice it's priced at $60? For everyone.

It's my guess that HFW will be priced at $70 for everyone too. With the caveat that buying on PS4 also gives you a "free" next-gen upgrade.



ArchangelMadzz on 17 September 2020
Intrinsic said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I feel like you didn't understand what I was saying. 

If the PS4 version was cheaper then fine. But Sony have already committed to next gen upgrades for free, so that would just mean ps5 owners could just save money and buy the PS4 version then upgrade to the ps5 version for free. That doesn't make much sense. Unless they abandon that and if you buy the PS4 version you'll have to pay more for the ps5 version.

Nope... you gotta read the fine print with Sony.

The three games that are cross-gen are Spiderman:MM, Sackboy adventures, and HFW. Now being that HFW is still far off there is little info on it, but you can clearly see what they are doing from everything else.

Spiderman is being sold as a "very expensive" DLC. At $50. Thats what both the PS4 and PS5 owners are going to pay. However, if you buy the Ultimate edition of S:MM, then you get Spiderman (remastered/with all the next-gen bells and whistles) + Spiderman:MM, but that's priced at their new next-gen game pricing of $70. Now there is no word on if people that already own spiderman on the PS4 get a free upgrade on their game (I assume they would), but if that's the case then such people wouldn't have to buy the ultimate edition. Basically the ultimate edition is for people that haven't bought any spiderman game at all and want both games.

Then look at Sackboy adventures, Notice it's priced at $60? For everyone.

It's my guess that HFW will be priced at $70 for everyone too. With the caveat that buying on PS4 also gives you a "free" next-gen upgrade.

That's my point, so we will have a case where either PS4 players will be paying the same for a lesser version of the game with certain features or content missing. Or anything that can only be done on PS5 (like fast flying mounts) just won't be in the game, meaning the PS5 version won't be as good as it could be.



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KLXVER on 17 September 2020

Thats cool. Im waiting to get a PS5, but Sackboy Adventure was a game I wanted to play. So a PS4 version is appreciated. Hope Demons Souls come to the PS4 as well.



smroadkill15 on 17 September 2020

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like ps4 Spider-man owners won't be getting an enhanced ps5 version for free. You will get a free upgrade for S:MM, but you have to buy the Ultimate Edition of S:MM if you want it the enhanced version of Spider-man. Doesn't seem very different than what 505 was doing with Control Ultimate edition.