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Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

Well it is basically a strange comparison, Sony have more variety on PS4 than Switch even if we only considered third parties, the 4000+ games have all bases covered. There isn't any genre that Switch have games that PS4 wouldn't.

A fitness adventure game like RingFit Adventure, a sports RPG like Golf Story, a life simulation like Animal Crossing.

But probably you can nitpick and find something that has on a first glance the same genre. But this thread provides examples of the different direction, the genres I said are lacking on Switch: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9167930

Ask yourself if you see V Rally as a replacement for GT or Forza, Telltale as a stand-in for TLOU, Doom/Wolfenstein while good as approaching the same people as COD/Battlefield and the gimped FIFA on Switch being a replacement of the realistic sports games on PS4. And think if the games on PS4 you want to name are really having the same impact as the ones I named above.

Are we really inventing genres to fit?

Everybody Golf is a sport game with RPG elements if you want to go like that. The SIMS is a life simulation. fitness adventure?

For me it just seems like you are pretending there is a whole genre to cover a single game Nintendo created to pad the numbers.



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Sony always has variety but if you mean games like TLoU, Uncharted and GoW then it's true that most of their biggest/most popular games are 'sad dad' games.

Sony's other games either aren't as good/appealing or Playstation doesn't attract a big enough audience for those types of games.



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Like others have said, I don't see this Sony "iconic worlds, characters.." thing. They have some truly great games in some great franchises. But, the reality is that once you leave the Nintendo characters and the Mushroom Kingdom, the only video game characters that you'll find non-gamers often aware of are Sonic, and to a much lesser extent, Master Chief. Maybe Pac-Man among the older generations.



DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

A fitness adventure game like RingFit Adventure, a sports RPG like Golf Story, a life simulation like Animal Crossing.

But probably you can nitpick and find something that has on a first glance the same genre. But this thread provides examples of the different direction, the genres I said are lacking on Switch: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9167930

Ask yourself if you see V Rally as a replacement for GT or Forza, Telltale as a stand-in for TLOU, Doom/Wolfenstein while good as approaching the same people as COD/Battlefield and the gimped FIFA on Switch being a replacement of the realistic sports games on PS4. And think if the games on PS4 you want to name are really having the same impact as the ones I named above.

Are we really inventing genres to fit?

Everybody Golf is a sport game with RPG elements if you want to go like that. The SIMS is a life simulation. fitness adventure?

For me it just seems like you are pretending there is a whole genre to cover a single game Nintendo created to pad the numbers.

Everyone does actually. As you look at it, you actually could put TLOU in the same genre as Zelda: action adventure. With that Sony has nothing special. But as I see it, there are differences. But that is exactly what I said: everyone defines genres differently. You argued that position only to circle back and deliver an expample yourself. And I said before: as people define their genres some can come to the conclusion PS4 has the most diverse library ever, while others think that Switch has that price. It is all a question of your viewpoint.



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VAMatt said:
Like others have said, I don't see this Sony "iconic worlds, characters.." thing. They have some truly great games in some great franchises. But, the reality is that once you leave the Nintendo characters and the Mushroom Kingdom, the only video game characters that you'll find non-gamers often aware of are Sonic, and to a much lesser extent, Master Chief. Maybe Pac-Man among the older generations.

I would argue Rayman and Lara Croft are quite iconic. But true, Nintendo has a great talent to develop lasting characters. Maybe because they don't give up on them and jump to a different series. Sony abandoned Spyro and Crash, maybe if they had stick with them they would be as iconic today as Mario.



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pikashoe said:
Dgc1808 said:
This "sad dad" thing is new news to me. Joel and Kratos are the only 2 that come to mind and that's just 2 games so I don't see a problem.

I think sad dad is the wrong term to use. I think third person, action adventure with strong cinematic focus is a little more accurate. I do think people exaggerate this a bit, but Sony has definitely been focusing on games like this a lot more in recent years and I think that some people were a little afraid that they would continue focusing more and more on games like this and less on other types of games. The ps5 reveal seems to have put that fear to rest for some people because they showed a large variety of games and had little focus on these big cinematic games.

Sony definitely has had more of that than MS and Nintendo in recent years. I guess if the Op means: "Is Sony trying to diversify their games lineup to appeal to more people?", then my response is simply "Yes".

I never really saw this as a bad thing though. There's clearly strong demand for these types of games, Sony's studios are clearly very good at it, and they maintained a decent variety of games. 



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The only thing I would like Sony to focus more on is replayability. I love several of their games, but I feel like story is too much of a focus in many of them. I just never seem to go back to their games once Ive finished them.(A few exceptions of course) Thats just a bit of a selfish wish I know, since I know many people play their games over and over. I just feel the gameplay could be a bit more fun and random I guess.



Mnementh said:
VAMatt said:
Like others have said, I don't see this Sony "iconic worlds, characters.." thing. They have some truly great games in some great franchises. But, the reality is that once you leave the Nintendo characters and the Mushroom Kingdom, the only video game characters that you'll find non-gamers often aware of are Sonic, and to a much lesser extent, Master Chief. Maybe Pac-Man among the older generations.

I would argue Rayman and Lara Croft are quite iconic. But true, Nintendo has a great talent to develop lasting characters. Maybe because they don't give up on them and jump to a different series. Sony abandoned Spyro and Crash, maybe if they had stick with them they would be as iconic today as Mario.

I'm pretty sure Sony has never owned those IP's. As far as I'm aware Spyro was owned by Universal Studios, then acquired by Activison. Crash Bandicoot was also owned by Activision and currently still is. Sony just published their games.

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hinch said:
Mnementh said:

I would argue Rayman and Lara Croft are quite iconic. But true, Nintendo has a great talent to develop lasting characters. Maybe because they don't give up on them and jump to a different series. Sony abandoned Spyro and Crash, maybe if they had stick with them they would be as iconic today as Mario.

I'm pretty sure Sony has never owned those IP's. As far as I'm aware Spyro was owned by Universal Studios, and then acquired by Activison. Crash Bandicoot was also owned by Activision are currently still is. Sony just published those games.

Oh, I didn't knew that. I thought they were Sony IPs and they sold them to Activision. Thanks for the correction.

Last edited by Mnementh - on 17 June 2020

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Yeah its strange. It might go in the grey area but they never really owned the IP or had full rights to them. I think they wanted to get more publishers on board so they might have made deals (make x amount of games on Playstation) with Universal and Activision.