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vivster said:

Did the kid who got a 95m head start on the 100m dash win when it crossed the finish line at the same time as the pro athletes?

Ya that just doesn’t fit. Generations never start at the same time. I could easily say Sony was still tieing their shoe laces while MS was ready to run. Cocky Sony, thinking they had all the time in the world after their last race victory. There I made your analogy fit :)



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Spindel said:
sales2099 said:

There’s a flip side to that argument. People rebuying a faulty console instead of a fully functioning PS3 speaks to the strength of the 360 brand 

Or you get a replacement unit, whitch probably still is counted as an sale. 

But my main goal with my previous post was to trigger people, and by the looks of it i succeded ;)

...but you didn’t. I flipped the argument. The image of a broken 360 looking more appetizing then a shiny new PS3. Your post gave me that image in my head, made me smile, and thus my post response. So thank you. 



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vivster said:

Did the kid who got a 95m head start on the 100m dash win when it crossed the finish line at the same time as the pro athletes?

When that kid crossed the finish line, we were all winners.



Neither.

If you asked both companies if they wanted to have another console like those, both would strongly decline. You are looking at two consoles which each sold 85m+ units of hardware and ~1 billion games, and over a lifespan of about 10 years have hardly anything to show for it (in the case of the 360) or less than nothing (the PS3).

Granted, Microsoft accomplished their greater goal of protecting Windows from Sony, but in hindsight it should be clear to both companies that Sony's planned invasion in the form of a convergence box was doomed to fail either way. On one hand you had gamers not taking kindly to pay for non-gaming, on the other hand you had the emergence of smart devices which rendered the idea of a convergence box obsolete.

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sales2099 said:

360 sold more software. Ps3 edged out on hardware. Overall I’d call 360 a western dominated console while PS3 dominated in the East. Since I live in the west I’m happy with how it turned out.
Take away Japan and Ps3 loses its crutch that Xbox has to make due without. For the majority of us, we lived in Xbox country :)

Overall it was a strategic victory. Xbox tripled their hardware sales gen over gen while Sony’s was cut. That’s right, might be a DJ part-time. Because I know how to spin 

360 "edged" out in software too. However @bolded Please don't do the whole "if wasn't for this or that...or take away this or that" argument. It's irrelevant. We can do that all across the board.



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sales2099 said:
vivster said:

Did the kid who got a 95m head start on the 100m dash win when it crossed the finish line at the same time as the pro athletes?

Ya that just doesn’t fit. Generations never start at the same time. I could easily say Sony was still tieing their shoe laces while MS was ready to run. Cocky Sony, thinking they had all the time in the world after their last race victory. There I made your analogy fit :)

Considering they sold more consoles in the end they really DID have the time to tie their shoe laces. Makes me wonder what the other guy did to completely squander his head start.



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vivster said:

Did the kid who got a 95m head start on the 100m dash win when it crossed the finish line at the same time as the pro athletes?

I think you posted this before...and I replied to it before.

Both consoles ended with about 80M when the 8th gen started. The gen started in 2005 and new console emerged in 2013. The Xbox 360 was out for ONE YEAR and only sold 5.5m in that year.

So, in your analogy Sony is the superstar athlete. Microsoft is the kid. Either way, 5/80 or 1/8 doesn't equal a 95% head start.

The kid did alright.



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Rafie said:
sales2099 said:

360 sold more software. Ps3 edged out on hardware. Overall I’d call 360 a western dominated console while PS3 dominated in the East. Since I live in the west I’m happy with how it turned out.
Take away Japan and Ps3 loses its crutch that Xbox has to make due without. For the majority of us, we lived in Xbox country :)

Overall it was a strategic victory. Xbox tripled their hardware sales gen over gen while Sony’s was cut. That’s right, might be a DJ part-time. Because I know how to spin 

360 "edged" out in software too. However @bolded Please don't do the whole "if wasn't for this or that...or take away this or that" argument. It's irrelevant. We can do that all across the board.

I’m not wrong to say Xbox 360 was a western dominated brand. Unless you show me a Japanese passport you probably lived in a country where Xbox beat Ps3. 



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Conina said:
Leynos said:

I have a collection. IDGAF about stupid ass meta. Stop letting numbers decide your opinion for you. Meta is garbage. A score is  garbage. It's an arbitrary way to judge something as a work of art. Babyz DS got a better review score than Mafia II. So if that game is better than Mafia II then where is the Babyz remake? Wii has a ton of hidden gems that don't show up on Meta anyway. Some of them I imported as they were not released in the west. lol and still holding on to the fan grading curve of anything below 80 is bad. Thanks for the laugh tho.

MetaScore ain't perfect, but the cumulative rating system is a much better indicator about the quality of games than the ratings of single persons. Extreme opinions get balanced out in most cases.

"Babyz DS" doesn't even have a MetaScore and Mafia II had a score of 74 - 77 (depending on the version)... so WTF are you talking about?

And you are free to write down a list of Wii games that are hidden gems.

Thanks for the laugh tho.

Was talking about this as one example. An example as one piece in a larger problem that expands past one website.

Not to mention bad games get good reviews because of a brand name like Final Fantasy XIII. Bad game, good score because of the brand. With the most recent Dragon Age. Very mediocre still won GOTY over Bayo 2. Then take into account game reviews stopped being actual journalists with a degree to do a job. You can listen to the Giant Bombcast how it used to be. They had a giant written guide on how to review games properly.  Certain phrases came across as unprofessional or vague so were not used. Reviews had more integrity and guidelines how to write something well. Anyone with a pulse now can write a review and most of them are terrible. Most review sites sound like fanboys writing them up and often poorly written. Some purposefully give higher or lower scores based on personal bias.

Meta is a fucking joke. Slant Magazine exists to lower scores on games. If you truly care about reviews then listen to the bombcast and how much better reviewing used to be structured. https://www.giantbomb.com/shows/the-hotspot-episode-362/2970-20253

I don't take anyone seriously when they use Meta as an argument when Meta is part of a joke that is games "journalism" of the modern-day. The ones that can't beat Doom unless put on Easy or could not get past Cuphead tutorial or the ones that wear sponsored Fall Out 4 pipboys and then criticize other websites for giving it a 7 instead of a 9. WHen someone is fired over giving a game a 6 because the publisher paid to have the game advertised all over the website. This all happened. So yeah they contribute to those meta scores.



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sales2099 said:
Rafie said:

360 "edged" out in software too. However @bolded Please don't do the whole "if wasn't for this or that...or take away this or that" argument. It's irrelevant. We can do that all across the board.

I’m not wrong to say Xbox 360 was a western dominated brand. Unless you show me a Japanese passport you probably lived in a country where Xbox beat Ps3. 

I didn't say you were wrong about the 360 being a western dominated brand. I'm referring to your claim about "take away Japan" etc. THAT is what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter. I mean we can make the same argument for the 360. I could say if it wasn't for the US, the 360 wouldn't have been close to PS3 in hardware sales. I think it's asinine to make arguments like that. Japan is one of the largest leaders in marketshare for gaming. So is the US. North America is the only continent that Xbox 360 beat PS3. Btw, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio. I know how strong the 360's dominance was compared to the PS3. It wasn't even close. PS3 lost that hands down.



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