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RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

I would say TV has the limited reach at this point. Im 38 and don't watch TV anymore. Not sure many younger gamers do either at this point. 

Anyway, third parties usually include that a game is on the Switch as well in their commercials on YouTube, Twitter and game sites, so I don't see what else they could do tbh.

The TV remains the most popular babysitter, that's why even commercial breaks between kids shows include advertising targeted at children and adults alike.

Third parties adding a Switch logo to a general commercial isn't much of an effort and it's something that is barely noticed. If they want to raise awareness, they should show people who play their game(s) on Switch.

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.



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This whole things reeks of this:

Bethesda, Konami and Activision: We will beat EA as being the worst videogame company on earth!

EA: Hold my beer.



KLXVER said:

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.

It's not Nintendo's job to do the work that companies should be doing themselves if you decide to push your game on another platform you can't complain when you get less sales on a rival one, if you can't be bothered to push your own product don't expect someone else to do it look at the developer of Hollow Knight they put in the work after getting the same informal promotion like anyone else and almost half their sales have com on Switch as a result.

Even the complaint about Nintendo games selling well itself is a smoke screen as you don't need to sell 5/10m -15/20m to be doing well.



RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.

You summed up the attitude of third parties pretty well. Nintendo is supposed to do the work for third parties to make third parties make more money whereas on other consoles third parties know no restraints to do the work themselves.

There would be nothing silly about making a dedicated Switch commercial. A Switch version adds the value of portability to any game by default, so that's what justifies the effort of making a special commercial.

Nintendo won't care if the big third parties don't want to make money on Switch because Nintendo makes big bucks without them. Another factor is that the absence/reluctance of the big third parties puts more of the spotlight on smaller third parties, including indies, who are happy about less competition and laugh all the way to the bank.

The lack of third parties on Nintendo platforms are primarily Nintendos fault, so helping third parties shine is something they could damn well do a better job at. You say that Nintendo makes big bucks without them, yet we can go back 3 years and see that they had a hard time making the big bucks on their own IPs alone. Look at Sony and MS. They give third parties almost just as much attention as their own titles. Nintendo doesn't. That's why we get a 30 second announcements for a third party game, then 20 minutes of footage from Mario Tennis in their Directs. If they want third parties on their platform, then they have to put in the work and help out wherever they can.



If Nintendo had used the Mariko chip that is in current Switch units they could have had a 393 GFLOP undocked (@ 3-4 hours) and 600 GFLOP docked performance, which probably would have put a lot more XB1/PS4 games in play for the Switch. They probably could have doubled the memory bandwidth to 50GB/sec too which makes a large difference. That's a performance envelope where porting those types of higher end games becomes much more managable.

197GF undocked + 394 GF docked because you're on the old 20nm process that runs too hot is really pushing it for a lot of developers, certain games can be ported but it requires a lot of effort and time and most devs don't bother.

It's not just EA, Japanese devs actually have been pretty much the worst. Where's Soul Calibur VI or Tekken, Namco? These guys will accept jobs to work on Smash Bros. for Nintendo but they're not willing to even bring a Soul Calibur over. Capcom's support has been abysmal. Square-Enix has been alright, but a crappy smartphone port of FFXV, no Kingdom Hearts 3, DQXI took a long time, etc. Even if these ports come they'll be very old by the time they do arrive at this rate.

Nintendo fans do play 3rd party games ... they just buy a Playstation and play them there. It's just something that's been reinforced since the N64 era and by now it's hard to get people to change from that view, which is another problem. 



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KLXVER said:
RolStoppable said:

You summed up the attitude of third parties pretty well. Nintendo is supposed to do the work for third parties to make third parties make more money whereas on other consoles third parties know no restraints to do the work themselves.

There would be nothing silly about making a dedicated Switch commercial. A Switch version adds the value of portability to any game by default, so that's what justifies the effort of making a special commercial.

Nintendo won't care if the big third parties don't want to make money on Switch because Nintendo makes big bucks without them. Another factor is that the absence/reluctance of the big third parties puts more of the spotlight on smaller third parties, including indies, who are happy about less competition and laugh all the way to the bank.

The lack of third parties on Nintendo platforms are primarily Nintendos fault, so helping third parties shine is something they could damn well do a better job at. You say that Nintendo makes big bucks without them, yet we can go back 3 years and see that they had a hard time making the big bucks on their own IPs alone. Look at Sony and MS. They give third parties almost just as much attention as their own titles. Nintendo doesn't. That's why we get a 30 second announcements for a third party game, then 20 minutes of footage from Mario Tennis in their Directs. If they want third parties on their platform, then they have to put in the work and help out wherever they can.

Statements like this are so ridiculous. 3rd parties only have themselves to blame for their choices. And nintendo showcases any notable 3rd party release in their directs, including presentations dedicated to indies.



Nu-13 said:
KLXVER said:

The lack of third parties on Nintendo platforms are primarily Nintendos fault, so helping third parties shine is something they could damn well do a better job at. You say that Nintendo makes big bucks without them, yet we can go back 3 years and see that they had a hard time making the big bucks on their own IPs alone. Look at Sony and MS. They give third parties almost just as much attention as their own titles. Nintendo doesn't. That's why we get a 30 second announcements for a third party game, then 20 minutes of footage from Mario Tennis in their Directs. If they want third parties on their platform, then they have to put in the work and help out wherever they can.

Statements like this are so ridiculous. 3rd parties only have themselves to blame for their choices. And nintendo showcases any notable 3rd party release in their directs, including presentations dedicated to indies.

Its not ridiculous. Third parties aren't holding back their games just to be dicks. They do give indies a lot of attention, that's why they are thriving on the platform. If they could do that for bigger third party games as well, maybe we could see some more sales there as well.

Not going to completely disregard Nintendo when it comes to helping out third parties. Putting Ganondorf in Diablo 3 and Zelda items in Skyrim were probably very helpful to those games.



RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

The lack of third parties on Nintendo platforms are primarily Nintendos fault, so helping third parties shine is something they could damn well do a better job at. You say that Nintendo makes big bucks without them, yet we can go back 3 years and see that they had a hard time making the big bucks on their own IPs alone. Look at Sony and MS. They give third parties almost just as much attention as their own titles. Nintendo doesn't. That's why we get a 30 second announcements for a third party game, then 20 minutes of footage from Mario Tennis in their Directs. If they want third parties on their platform, then they have to put in the work and help out wherever they can.

Ironically, one of the big reasons why Nintendo struggled to make profits was because they sucked up to EA with the Wii U. Nintendo and EA announced an unprecedented partnership between the two of them at E3 2011 as every EA IP was supposed to come to the Wii U, according to EA's CEO who was standing on the stage of Nintendo's E3 conference.

Ultimately, Nintendo has no choice but to do what they do. If Nintendo tried to align themselves with the AAA third party publishers, as they did with the Wii U, then the market's response can be summed up with three simple words.

"Fuck off, Nintendo."

The paths of console gaming have never been farther apart than they are today. On one road you have those big third parties who think up one shady money-grabbing scheme after another, on the other road you have Nintendo who has no choice but to be submissive to the market and run their console business with dignity or else they will suffer severe punishment. You can observe this in the development of Nintendo's DLC practices where Nintendo tried virtually all options of DLC pieces and packs as well as microtransactions with free-to-play games such as Pokémon Shuffle and Pokémon Picross on the 3DS and Wii U; it all led to the expansion pass on Switch because the market sent the message that it doesn't want little pieces, but rather meaty content expansions and pay for them accordingly.

Nintendo's path is at odds with the path of the AAA third parties. Like I said in my first post in this thread, gamers are continually led to believe that Nintendo is the evil entity in this equation. You are one of those people who've been had, because you are convinced that Nintendo should pave the way for AAA third parties and help them wherever they can. But if you take a step back to look at the bigger picture, does it really strike you as rational that you, as a gamer, should be advocating for yet another console manufacturer to make all the money-grabbing schemes the expected and accepted standard for console gaming?

Money grabbing schemes? Not every AAA game is like that. Im not saying Nintendo should spotlight a Fifa game that's just the same game from last year with a roster update. GTAV, more Dark Souls, Monster Hunter, Fallout(not 76 obviously), FarCry to name a few. And of course the Switch should be overwhelmed with great third party games from last gen. Dead Space, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect, Batman Arkham etc. Theres obviously something going on there. Why aren't those on the Switch? It would be easy to port and probably not very expensive. Yet the bigger third parties don't do it. They cant all just hate Nintendo for some reason. Nintendo needs to show them some more love. Not do all the heavy lifting for them obviously, but help make it easier for them to take the steps.



RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

Money grabbing schemes? Not every AAA game is like that. Im not saying Nintendo should spotlight a Fifa game that's just the same game from last year with a roster update. GTAV, more Dark Souls, Monster Hunter, Fallout(not 76 obviously), FarCry to name a few. And of course the Switch should be overwhelmed with great third party games from last gen. Dead Space, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect, Batman Arkham etc. Theres obviously something going on there. Why aren't those on the Switch? It would be easy to port and probably not very expensive. Yet the bigger third parties don't do it. They cant all just hate Nintendo for some reason. Nintendo needs to show them some more love. Not do all the job for them obviously, but help make it easier for them to take the steps.

I just explained to you why Nintendo and third parties are at odds. It's not in the interest of AAA third parties to establish Switch as an alternative free of lootboxes and the like, because that could start to hurt their business on other platforms.

By the way, the BioShock Collection has been announced for Switch.

So NBA 2K and Fifa games doesn't have any of that stuff?

Also is there a trailer for the Bioshock Collection?



RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

So NBA 2K and Fifa games doesn't have any of that stuff?

Also is there a trailer for the Bioshock Collection?

You can consider those sports games testruns to gauge how receptive Switch owners are to microtransactions. You can tell from those publishers' follow-up actions how successful their attempts were, especially EA.

You'll have to look for a BioShock trailer yourself.

I did. There was none. Guess Ill have to wait for the next Nintendo Direct to see a 15 second trailer before the 20 minute spotlight on Animal Crossing that everyone has already decided to buy...