Good luck to her I guess.

I guess the UK will be the real experiment with mass public.

One of my close friends tested positive for the rona. I hung out with him 5 days ago (he didn't have it then). Too close of all call for me.

Gotta admit if I get options, I'd rather not have one of the mRNA vaccines.
Apparently, they have never before made it to human usage.

It works in the lab, but when given to animals, when they experiance the virus (in the wild) they usually have worse experiance's than placebo test subjects (scientists usually compaire, outcomes between differnt subjects, experianceing the same thing).

The fact that pfizer ect, sprang over these sorts of tests.....
(animal tests, and lateron desections looking at organs ect)

Anyone that takes one of these vaccines (mRNA ones) is like submitting to human experimention with medicin.

Also they greatly shorten the time you usually study phase 1,2,3 ect.
The quality controll on these vaccines will be really low, compaired to how high demands for safety usually are.

People just dont care, they want someone that works (or looks to), reguardless of safety of it.
This goes double for goverments, that want things back to normal asap.
Wouldn't be surprised if theres nasty side effects, discovered down the line.

At least they're testing it out on the most vulnerable first...



Here they're already warning that you will still need to wear masks and continue social distancing

Because the leading vaccine makers don’t know yet if their vaccines will prevent transmission of the virus, infectious disease specialists said it’s important for people to continue to wear face masks and follow public health advice even after they’ve been immunized.

“There’s nothing there [in Pfizer’s data] that suggests that people are less transmissible. All we know is individuals who got the vaccine had less symptomatic disease than people who didn’t get the vaccine.” Chagla added the trials also showed that individuals who received the vaccine tended to have less severe disease than those who weren’t vaccinated or received a placebo.

Chagla said data released on Tuesday by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on the Pfizer vaccine showed that it can take some time before a vaccine will be protective against the disease.

“You see some of the divergence between people who weren’t vaccinated and who were around day 20 to 28 after the first dose, so it does take some time, meaning you can get COVID the day after you get vaccinated,” he said.

Ostrowski said the length of time people will be required to wear masks will also depend on how quickly countries are able to vaccinate their populations.

“It’s going to take a while to vaccinate everyone, especially since these new vaccines are very difficult to both distribute and keep stable,” he said.



The effects (masks, distancing, vaccines) will stack anyway, should curb the spread faster the more people become less transmissible. Unless it creates more asymptomatic spreaders that don't know they have it, convinced they can't have it, and thus keep on going on their normal routine. At least it will vastly reduce hospitalizations and deaths. But ironically there's a possibility it becomes less safe for those who have not yet been vaccinated.

Thats the other thing.... it takes like a month before the vaccines work, from when you got it (I read this too).
And ontop of that, before the vaccines make a impact on spread, you need a large enough amount of the population vaccinated (to break transmittion chains). There arn't enough vaccines anywere to just give everyone a shot, on day1.... it ll probably take the better part of a year, to get enough vaccines to do a country like the US (331m ppl).

Then theres the factor that its not mandated, so people are free to choose, and alot will not bother.

Intresting point you make about not haveing evidence that the vaccines reduce spread, they could potentially just limit how much damage it does.
So a vaccinated person could still go around infecting others. Which if thats the case thats not going to make a huge impact on infections/deaths, until most (in countries) are vaccinated.

People right now are rideing a "high" about vaccines, as this sure fire fix, that'll just magically make the issue go away soon.
When the truth is, corona virus is probably still going to be a huge issue all throughout 2021.

Canada approves Pfizer's vaccine and plans to begin rollout next week:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/09/canada-approves-pfizer-vaccine-and-plans-to-begin-rollout-next-week-as-us-awaits-decision

As far as the above posts go, nobody said that the first vaccines would be a magic bullet that would instantly end the pandemic. These things take time. But being able to protect healthcare workers and other at-risk groups here and now is better than nothing and a step forwards.

Spain adds 18.000 deaths to its toll.

https://www.thelocal.es/20201210/spains-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-18000

More than 45,000 people died of Covid-19 in Spain between March and May, the National Statistics Institute (INE) said Thursday, giving a figure that exceeds the official toll by 18,000.

According to the INE, a total of 45,684 people died within that period, of which 32,652 were certified as having the virus, while another 13,032 died "of suspected (Covid), showing symptoms compatible with the illness".

Figures released by the health ministry on June 1st put the total number of deaths from Covid-19 at 27,127 but the INE figure suggests a further 18,557 people died between March and May.

Adding the INE figures to the official number of deaths would push the total number of people who have died of the virus in Spain's outbreak to more than 65,500.

The INE figure reinforces the widespread suspicion that during the first wave of the pandemic, when hospitals and funeral homes were completely overwhelmed, many cases were not counted as part of the official coronavirus death toll.

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Spain had all those corrections end of March, switching to a new system. Tracking was a mess for weeks and after, the death rate had suspiciously plummeted, out of line with all other countries. I wonder what the real numbers are in the USA or if we have real numbers now. There was that out of line drop when reporting switched to HNS or whatever it's called.

Here we're moving to stricter measures again from Friday, the spread has slowed but is still rising over all. Schools in Windsor-Essex (on the US border near Detroit) have been ordered to close at the end of the week. Vaccine rollout will start next week as well, distribution is still an issue. For now there will be 14 places where people can be vaccinated. Unfortunately those unable to get there (stuck in nursing homes) will have to wait a bit longer.

The North faces the next crisis. Remote locations, long distances, the virus has reached there now. Living conditions are mostly cramped with few possibilities to isolate and only a few nurses on staff per settlement. While it gets cold up North, not cold enough to get the vaccine there. Hopefully a less demanding vaccine will get through soon as well.

Things are moving fast now

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-vaccinations-at-montreal-seniors-home-to-begin-as-soon-as-friday-1.5226502

A long-term care home in Montreal told residents' families that the first vaccinations will start even sooner than scheduled, as soon as Friday
The vaccinations will begin with "qualified" residents who have already consented

The vaccination campaign was already moving at breakneck speed after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's surprise announcement on Monday that as many as 249,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine could arrive in Canada within a week.
4,000 of the doses will be coming to Quebec, beginning with a small handful of long-term care homes.

Astra Zeneca and the russian Gamaleya institute partner up to test a combination of their two vaccines for better effiacy.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/astrazeneca-partners-with-rdif-and-gamaleya-for-azd1222-sputnik-v-combo-trial-11607681894150.html