Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

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SvennoJ said:

JRPGfan said:

Gotta admit if I get options, I'd rather not have one of the mRNA vaccines.
Apparently, they have never before made it to human usage.

It works in the lab, but when given to animals, when they experiance the virus (in the wild) they usually have worse experiance's than placebo test subjects (scientists usually compaire, outcomes between differnt subjects, experianceing the same thing).

The fact that pfizer ect, sprang over these sorts of tests.....
(animal tests, and lateron desections looking at organs ect)

Anyone that takes one of these vaccines (mRNA ones) is like submitting to human experimention with medicin.

Also they greatly shorten the time you usually study phase 1,2,3 ect.
The quality controll on these vaccines will be really low, compaired to how high demands for safety usually are.

People just dont care, they want someone that works (or looks to), reguardless of safety of it.
This goes double for goverments, that want things back to normal asap.
Wouldn't be surprised if theres nasty side effects, discovered down the line.

At least they're testing it out on the most vulnerable first...



Here they're already warning that you will still need to wear masks and continue social distancing

Because the leading vaccine makers don’t know yet if their vaccines will prevent transmission of the virus, infectious disease specialists said it’s important for people to continue to wear face masks and follow public health advice even after they’ve been immunized.

“There’s nothing there [in Pfizer’s data] that suggests that people are less transmissible. All we know is individuals who got the vaccine had less symptomatic disease than people who didn’t get the vaccine.” Chagla added the trials also showed that individuals who received the vaccine tended to have less severe disease than those who weren’t vaccinated or received a placebo.

Chagla said data released on Tuesday by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on the Pfizer vaccine showed that it can take some time before a vaccine will be protective against the disease.

“You see some of the divergence between people who weren’t vaccinated and who were around day 20 to 28 after the first dose, so it does take some time, meaning you can get COVID the day after you get vaccinated,” he said.

Ostrowski said the length of time people will be required to wear masks will also depend on how quickly countries are able to vaccinate their populations.

“It’s going to take a while to vaccinate everyone, especially since these new vaccines are very difficult to both distribute and keep stable,” he said.



The effects (masks, distancing, vaccines) will stack anyway, should curb the spread faster the more people become less transmissible. Unless it creates more asymptomatic spreaders that don't know they have it, convinced they can't have it, and thus keep on going on their normal routine. At least it will vastly reduce hospitalizations and deaths. But ironically there's a possibility it becomes less safe for those who have not yet been vaccinated.

Thats the other thing.... it takes like a month before the vaccines work, from when you got it (I read this too).
And ontop of that, before the vaccines make a impact on spread, you need a large enough amount of the population vaccinated (to break transmittion chains). There arn't enough vaccines anywere to just give everyone a shot, on day1.... it ll probably take the better part of a year, to get enough vaccines to do a country like the US (331m ppl).

Then theres the factor that its not mandated, so people are free to choose, and alot will not bother.

Intresting point you make about not haveing evidence that the vaccines reduce spread, they could potentially just limit how much damage it does.
So a vaccinated person could still go around infecting others. Which if thats the case thats not going to make a huge impact on infections/deaths, until most (in countries) are vaccinated.

People right now are rideing a "high" about vaccines, as this sure fire fix, that'll just magically make the issue go away soon.
When the truth is, corona virus is probably still going to be a huge issue all throughout 2021.