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While most of the world is still struggling to stop the spread, lets not forget the places that are having success. Oceania, despite some unfortunate imported cases in New Zealand and a recent death in Australia, still doing great. Europe has been declining again since the 19th, down to 13K new cases per day.

3-day average reported cases

Sweden is lagging behind since Worldometer now uses Sweden's method to update cases up to a week back, not that it makes it any more stable.
Ireland disappeared off the bottom last week, well done.
All on the graph (except Sweden) are making progress, just one to look out for in Europe, Ukraine is still growing, now over 800 cases per day.

7-day average reported deaths

Spain updated with the data they gave, bit suspicious the way Spain left France and Italy.
All are trending down and 5 already reached the bottom.


Canada is also still doing well

Ontario seems to stall a bit again, mobility has gone up so as long as cases don't go back up it's still positive.



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jason1637 said:

Looks like Florida is going with the hiding numbers strategy.

The "we want it to be a surprise" strategy.

Thats gonna work out well, and not cause a delay in aquireing more bed spaces,
and not lead to people not being able to get treatment... sure.

Wouldn't be surprised if that ends up costing lives, and for what? political good will going upto a election?



Big news yesterday here in The Netherlands.

Yesterday there was the final (for now) press conference on the Coronavirus crisis held by our Prime Minister, and he had only good news. A couple of weeks ago I posted the government's 'road map', explaining what will be lifted when. Pretty much everything that was pegged to happen 1 September can already happen 1 July. The numbers are so low, that the immediate crisis is now over. This means that from 1 July;

  • Restaurants, bars and cafes reopen with no limit to the amount of visitors, provided that costumers can keep a 1.5m distance, or if there's a screen between two tables.
  • Theatres, cinemas and other venues can also allow more people, again provided that spectators can keep 1.5m distance between each group (which in practice means there'll be about two empty chairs between "households"). This also goes for funerals and weddings, gyms, and outdoor gatherings such as fairs and markets.
  • The prime minister explicitly said sex workers can resume their.. practice starting 1 July.
  • Public transport will reopen to anyone, as opposed to only for "necessary travel". Face masks will remain mandatory while inside vehicles.
  • Events and concerts can start with applying for permits again, as from 1 September onwards, they will again be allowed with a 1.5m distance between people. This means that from 1 September on, sports matches are allowed to have spectators again, right in time for the new football season.
  • People from different households are allowed to get into a single car again, though are advised to wear facemasks.
  • High schools can also fully reopen, after primary schools have done previously, from 1 July onwards, though obviously it makes sense they won't do so until after summer holiday. Higher education can also resume on campus after the summer holiday.
  • Elderly homes can allow visitors and residents can leave, if there's no current infection.

So basically everything gets lifted, there's still only a few exceptions;

  • Nightclubs and discotheques will remain closed until further notice.
  • Every establishment must ask a patron whether or not they have symptoms or have been sick with the last two weeks. Obviously people can lie about this, but the government is counting on people's reliability, which they have been since the start. This has seemed to work, by far the majority is honourable enough to tell the truth or just stay at home.
  • The social distancing of 1.5m remains in effect, except in public transport where facemasks are mandatory.

Also, from 1 July the government stops reporting daily numbers. They'll switch to weekly numbers instead.

They said they can do all this now, because continued studies have shown that the virus is rapidly decreasing in our country. We've also had the first day with zero deaths since the start, and there's hardly anyone on ICU left. They said that the reopening of restaurants (in a limited fashion), theme parks and zoos previously has had zero effect on the continued decrease and viral matter traceable in the sewer systems are noticeably declining. Even the big protests (like the much maligned BLM protest in Amsterdam) have resulted in exactly zero new infections.

Last edited by S.Peelman - on 25 June 2020

Why is the US trying to hide coronavirus numbers and information even at the cost of human life? Why is there a move to get rid of masks? It makes no sense, it’s like the US went full suicidal.

Is it some kind of bizarre ego thing? (Like perfume drinking in Irkutsk) Or is it more a superstition thing where people believe they can’t get it if they ignore it?

I mean, the US being retarded is normal, but this is kind of  horrifying on top of being retarded as people are literally going to die because of it when they didn’t have to.



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Jumpin said:

Why is the US trying to hide coronavirus numbers and information even at the cost of human life? Why is there a move to get rid of masks? It makes no sense, it’s like the US went full suicidal.

Is it some kind of bizarre ego thing? (Like perfume drinking in Irkutsk) Or is it more a superstition thing where people believe they can’t get it if they ignore it?

I mean, the US being retarded is normal, but this is kind of  horrifying on top of being retarded as people are literally going to die because of it when they didn’t have to.

Probably because the high numbers make look the management of the president the way it is: atrociously bad. So he's hoping that by not testing, he could boast falling covid numbers and thus that the country is making much better. He certainly tries to use this for his election campaign, but right now, it has the opposite effect.

Also possibly because Europe is opening it's borders again - but only to countries who managed the virus well and are doing at least as well as the EU at large, which the US don't by country miles. So with less testing, he could try to point at lowering numbers and with it hope that US citizens could reenter Europe by trying to point at those numbers.



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S.Peelman said:

Big news yesterday here in The Netherlands.

Yesterday there was the final (for now) press conference on the Coronavirus crisis held by our Prime Minister, and he had only good news. A couple of weeks ago I posted the government's 'road map', explaining what will be lifted when. Pretty much everything that was pegged to happen 1 September can already happen 1 July. The numbers are so low, that the immediate crisis is now over. This means that from 1 July;

  • Restaurants, bars and cafes reopen with no limit to the amount of visitors, provided that costumers can keep a 1.5m distance, or if there's a screen between two tables.
  • Theatres, cinemas and other venues can also allow more people, again provided that spectators can keep 1.5m distance between each group (which in practice means there'll be about two empty chairs between "households"). This also goes for funerals and weddings, gyms, and outdoor gatherings such as fairs and markets.
  • The prime minister explicitly said sex workers can resume their.. practice starting 1 July.
  • Public transport will reopen to anyone, as opposed to only for "necessary travel". Face masks will remain mandatory while inside vehicles.
  • Events and concerts can start with applying for permits again, as from 1 September onwards, they will again be allowed with a 1.5m distance between people. This means that from 1 September on, sports matches are allowed to have spectators again, right in time for the new football season.
  • People from different households are allowed to get into a single car again, though are advised to wear facemasks.
  • High schools can also fully reopen, after primary schools have done previously, from 1 July onwards, though obviously it makes sense they won't do so until after summer holiday. Higher education can also resume on campus after the summer holiday.
  • Elderly homes can allow visitors and residents can leave, if there's no current infection.

So basically everything gets lifted, there's still only a few exceptions;

  • Nightclubs and discotheques will remain closed until further notice.
  • Every establishment must ask a patron whether or not they have symptoms or have been sick with the last two weeks. Obviously people can lie about this, but the government is counting on people's reliability, which they have been since the start. This has seemed to work, by far the majority is honourable enough to tell the truth or just stay at home.
  • The social distancing of 1.5m remains in effect, except in public transport where facemasks are mandatory.

Also, from 1 July the government stops reporting daily numbers. They'll switch to weekly numbers instead.

They said they can do all this now, because continued studies have shown that the virus is rapidly decreasing in our country. We've also had the first day with zero deaths since the start, and there's hardly anyone on ICU left. They said that the reopening of restaurants (in a limited fashion), theme parks and zoos previously has had zero effect on the continued decrease and viral matter traceable in the sewer systems are noticeably declining. Even the big protests (like the much maligned BLM protest in Amsterdam) have resulted in exactly zero new infections.

I was in Amsterdam two weeks ago and I definitely missed the sexy girls in their windows...

The visit just wasn't the same.



Hiku said:
haxxiy said:

It's doubtful reinfection would be anywhere as severe as first infection or as contagious, even if it can happen after a year or so like for the common cold. That has been the case for all diseases introduced through trade and colonization, and also the ones that caused previous pandemics. Plasma cell-mediated antibody aren't the only way the adaptive immune system works.

I can't say I've researched this in particular. But a friend of mine who got infected and survived, was told by her doctor that a second infection for her is more likely to be lethal due to the long lasting (permanent?) damage the first infection did to her body.

Yeah, there are two effects at work. A second infection might be lighter, as some immune response might have built. But COVID-19 also leaves lasting damage to the body of many infected and so far it is not clear how long the body will need to recover or even if the damage may become permanent. This makes any new infection (not only COVID) more risky. We could actually see more flu deaths this year, because of the damage done by COVID.



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Barozi said:
Barozi said:

Another week, another:
2,065 positive cases (-12.1%) with 320k tests (-2.7%).

On average there were 295 positive cases a day (or 344 if you discard Sunday).

406 in ICU (-17.5%)

So slooooow. Another public holiday (not in every part of the country though) caused a slight dip in testing capacity. However, all public holidays are over for now so testing should increase to ~400k for the current week. Due to this, there could very well be more positive cases than last week. (320k tests vs. 400k tests would find about 520 more infected at the current rate (0.65%).

3,862 positive cases (+87.0%) with 378k tests (+18.1%).

On average there were 552 positive cases a day (or 644 if you discard Sunday).

331 in ICU (-18.5%)

Terrible week due to the slaughterhouse outbreak. Berlin also isn't looking very good. The rest of the country seems fine.
The administrative districts in which the slaughterhouse is located and the neighbouring district where a lot of the workers are living are back in lockdown.
7,000 people from that area are now in quarantine.

Numbers should be significantly lower next week.

berlin is indeed worrying. Look at this:

https://covh.github.io/cov19de/pages/Deutschland.html

Berlin has by far the highest 7-day incidence. I hope this will drop soon, as on the weekend I'll travel through Berlin.



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Right now it seems the EU gonna stop US citizens to travel here



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Hiku said:
haxxiy said:

I can't say I've researched this in particular. But a friend of mine who got infected and survived, was told by her doctor that a second infection for her is more likely to be lethal due to the long lasting (permanent?) damage the first infection did to her body.

Here's a study about it from 2014 about this and coronaviruses that should clarify a few things: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4125530/

A noteworthy paragraph: "Follow-up studies from patients who recovered from SARS suggest that the SARS-CoV-specific antibody response is short lived. In these patients, SARS-CoV-specific IgM and IgA response lasted less than 6 months, while virus-specific IgG titer peaked four-month post-infection and markedly declined after 1 year. Despite the lack of virus-specific memory B cell response, SARS-CoV-specific memory T cells persist in SARS-recovered patients for up to 6 years post-infection."

Of course, if your doctor is telling you you should be careful, then you should be careful. I'm evidently not trying to be dismissive about it. Even seemingly innocuous infections can have consequences (adenoviruses can be particularly insidious, for instance) and more severe ones will almost always have them, at least for some time, even if you are immunologically protected against that specific infection.