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Bofferbrauer2 said:
TallSilhouette said:

Indeed.

The GOP (or at least a large part of it) seems to be doubling down on Trumpism even after it's cost them the House, Senate, and Presidency. If it keeps up (or the two wings really do split), perhaps it really could be the end of their power in national politics.

I think the reason why the GOP is doubling down now on Trumpism is because of the threats both Trump and his followers have issued. Some probably fear for their life, which the congress storming showed that it could very well happen to them, too if they antagonized the more rabid sycophants of Trump. Others fear Trump could start a MAGA party and run against them, which would totally doom the GOP, as many of their voters would switch to that new party in that scenario. They went all in with Trumpism and now fear the consequences if they don't stay on the course they set on 4 years ago.

I expect Trump to run again in 2024, but with either Ivanka, Kushner or Trump Jr. as VP. The main question is, will he run as GOP, as Independent or form a new MAGA party as a platform for himself and his family?

I am pretty sure Trump will not run again because his ego cannot take another loss, especially not like this time.  Yeah he may have pandered to the stolen election in public but he knows he lost in private.  Instead I see him milking his support base for everything they got and probably using that money he admass to try and basically pay to win support for whoever show loyalty to him.  This will be just an extension of the grifter game he has already played where he will contribute a lot of that money to other political figures for them to kick that money right back to him so he can pocket it.  If you put Trump into the position where he is still the money hustling grifter it makes more sense for him to run this course.  I can see him funding his kids for political seats but really its all about the money and people willing to keep funneling it to him.



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I think Trump is done.
Many of his supporters (I.E. The Proud Boys) are calling Trump a traitor for not meeting at the capital and storming it with them. (Who would have guessed Trump would have lied?)

Trump has also fleeced hundreds of millions of dollars (WHY anyone would donate to a Billionaire baffles me!) from his support base to overturn the election results only for him to give up and run with the money, so I think many would feel cheated.

And then the last issue is the legal issues... Trump is going to be dragged through the legal process for a very long time and that is going to have consequences.



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AsGryffynn said:
PAOerfulone said:

Arizona Republicans Censure Party Leaders At Odds With Trump

So, the Arizona GOP just censured Doug Ducey, Jeff Flake, and Cindy McCain (the widow of John McCain) for there opposition towards Trump.

...So in a state where the Secretary, both Senators (for the first time since 1953), 5 out of the 9 Representatives are Democrats, AND they just flipped blue on the Presidential ballot for the first time since 1996... they decide to censure the most prominent group of Republicans who have proven they can win in that state...

The GOP here in Arizona are not too bright in case you couldn't tell. This is the absolute WORST thing they could have done. I'm from Arizona, and this state was already trending blue in the first place, but now... that trend is about to accelerate considerably.

Meanwhile, Cindy McCain on Twitter: 

Why are the voting sites even painting AZ red any longer? 

I am just hoping this schism manifests on the other side and we get four parties. 

Before, I thought four parties would've been a foolish pipedream, but now? Not so much.

Trump may break away from the GOP and start his own party, and take a considerable chunk of the Republican party with him. I don't think it's going to happen. The Republicans certainly don't want that and I'm sure Trump knows that doing that will only favor the Democrats and open the door for them run the board up in '22 and '24.

But if he does, then I could see, a little further down the road, the more progressive wing of the Democratic party (Sanders, AOC, etc.) break away from the Democratic party and form THEIR own party.

And in a situation where we would have four different competitive parties, the Electoral College would be damn near useless because it would be almost impossible for one party to reach 270 if there are 3 other parties they have to compete against instead of one.



PAOerfulone said:
AsGryffynn said:

Why are the voting sites even painting AZ red any longer? 

I am just hoping this schism manifests on the other side and we get four parties. 

Before, I thought four parties would've been a foolish pipedream, but now? Not so much.

Trump may break away from the GOP and start his own party, and take a considerable chunk of the Republican party with him. I don't think it's going to happen. The Republicans certainly don't want that and I'm sure Trump knows that doing that will only favor the Democrats and open the door for them run the board up in '22 and '24.

But if he does, then I could see, a little further down the road, the more progressive wing of the Democratic party (Sanders, AOC, etc.) break away from the Democratic party and form THEIR own party.

And in a situation where we would have four different competitive parties, the Electoral College would be damn near useless because it would be almost impossible for one party to reach 270 if there are 3 other parties they have to compete against instead of one.

Four parties who inherit the values of the current frictions within the DNC and GOP would wreck the GOP descendants in the long term. You'd get the progressive democratic party to represent the left side of the political spectrum, the moderate democratic party who represent conservatives (center-right to right on the spectrum), the moderate republican party (right to far-right on the spectrum), and the ultra-nationalist republican party (far-right).

For the longest time the best card in the GOP's deck has been that the DNC is pushing towards socialism. But if that wing breaks away from the DNC, then the moderate democratic party is what the biggest plurality in the country will prefer.



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A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Shipments

Historically most Democrat Governments lose Senate seats 2 years into their term when inevitably not enough is done for the electorate, handing back control to the Republicans.. this will happen unless....

Bernie Sanders talks about what must be done to prevent this on CNN (See at time 4.20 on video)



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People are happy the Dems won, and so am I, and with this euphoria has come a blindness to what's coming

The Est Dems are starting to show their distain for real change, and creep is starting to set in on needed policies and reforms even at this early stage, still early so there is hope, but some signs aren't good, particularly comments around these reforms with in the Est. 

Krystal Ball puts all these early observations together in an easily digestible form for your viewing pleaser/distress.. we don't want the Dems to lose to a still Trumpian Republican party

The Dems have some real long term work to do to stay in power even for a short two years, wont happen if business as usual politics prevails 

       



Rab said:

       

Man, she is insufferable. How do you tolerate this stuff? She spends so much time talking with that holier-than-thou tone while saying absolutely nothing of substance..



sundin13 said:
Rab said:

       

Man, she is insufferable. How do you tolerate this stuff? She spends so much time talking with that holier-than-thou tone while saying absolutely nothing of substance..

She always comes from a place of reason and evidence, she obviously rubs you up the wrong way personally as she may not support your views

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Rab said:
sundin13 said:

Man, she is insufferable. How do you tolerate this stuff? She spends so much time talking with that holier-than-thou tone while saying absolutely nothing of substance..

She always comes from a place of reason and evidence, she obviously rubs you up the wrong way personally as she may not support your views   

She spent the first nine minutes of that video yelling about how Biden has no plan and then wraps up by saying that Biden actually has a plan and it is good. 

I agree with her politics. I still think she is an insufferable grifter. I wouldn't describe her as someone who comes from a perspective of "reason and evidence". I would describe her as someone who has made up their mind and does everything they can to justify that perspective even when it makes no sense.



sundin13 said:
Rab said:

She always comes from a place of reason and evidence, she obviously rubs you up the wrong way personally as she may not support your views   

She spent the first nine minutes of that video yelling about how Biden has no plan and then wraps up by saying that Biden actually has a plan and it is good. 

I agree with her politics. I still think she is an insufferable grifter. I wouldn't describe her as someone who comes from a perspective of "reason and evidence". I would describe her as someone who has made up their mind and does everything they can to justify that perspective even when it makes no sense.

Much like everyone ever, if you like her politics, and she does use evidence to support her views, even having a right wing co-host to reflect off, which she is clear about, then the issue is really a personality thing, as she has a huge following with people that have the same political views as you.. one of the few early journos to keep highlighting the hypocrisy of the Est. Media and Dems

Don't attack the messenger, debate the message, it's off topic and distracting to attack the messenger every time, reduces the debate to a clash of personality's only

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