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Ka-pi96 said:
AsGryffynn said:

Even then, not a single member highlighted this isn't really how transmission is stopped. Masks don't prevent the virus from coming in, they keep it from going out. The analogy would work best if you asked them to spit on their mask and then at you. A wet mask on the outside will wet through to the inside, but no one is going to go around rubbing masks on each other to share the Corona. 

That's not true. The standard masks reduce the amount coming in by 70% and going out by 80%, so they're almost as effective at preventing it from coming in as they are keeping it from going out.

Don't have an English source, sorry. But the figures are the amount that gets through the mask, so the lower the better. You can clearly see the arrows leading in have a reduction to the amount getting through.

Well, there goes any respect I had left for the CDC. Apparently, they decided saying what I mentioned was a good idea until around a few months ago. 

Do note that the amount going in is still greater than leaving the mask. Seems Polyurethane was every bit as useless as some claimed though. What would be the name of those in Western parlance? 

vivster said:
AsGryffynn said:

Even I wonder who on God's Green Earth™ expects Biden to be more than a rollback to Obama era policies that didn't really do an awful lot for anyone besides attempt to eliminate Bush's horrific errors and rectify most of his mistakes. 

Damn any person who thinks he may even be able to run in 2024.

Like seriously, get your head checked. He's going to be replaced. By who I have no clue, which reminds me: who do you think gets either party's nomination in 2024? 

Joe Biden doesn't count.  

As long as people make the mistake of voting for Republicans reverting the damage they have caused is the best thing anyone can expect. That's not on Biden or Obama. They just try their best to revert the country back from the hellhole Republicans left it to be. Real progress will come when Democrats actually stay in power.

But I don't expect anything else from people like you, since this is their favorite talking point against Democrats. "Democrats never achieve anything". Yeah, no shit sherlock, of course they can't achieve anything if they are always busy with reverting Republican damage and all of their actual progressive pushes are constantly heavily sabotaged in a spirit of "bipartisanship".

Biden is going to be better than Obama. Not necessarily because he's more progressive, but because he has both the power of the houses and increasingly loud progressive voices within his party. He doesn't actually have to do much except for reverting everything Trump did. All he needs to do is put progressives in high positions and they'll do the work. Bernie's new position alone will make more difference than anything Biden could ever do by himself. Biden is going to be a useful figurehead, but nothing more.

Biden has already said he's going to forgo bipartisan efforts if Republicans don't play nice and that's already the best anyone can hope for.

The Democratic Party started their 2016 war effort with Hillary Rodham Clinton. How the hell do you expect me to believe that? 

Even if they decided Bernie was their candidate, this wouldn't change any issue within the party remaining and the support of Bloomberg shows they are every bit as right wing as everyone else. 

Want to show me they are acting in our interest and not theirs? Bar any centrists from 2024 and eventually commit to a developed platform which includes UHC and student loan forgiveness/attempts to lower student tuition and make it so any candidate that wants the support of the party has to endorse this platform. 

I won't believe them otherwise, especially since Biden already broke any bad woes Trump might have caused by sending a convoy to Syria. 



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curl-6 said:

The MAGA meltdowns are pretty epic

Gee, it's almost as if we decided to start pointing fingers somehow friends! 

America, you're demented. Signed ~ The Rest of the World. 



AsGryffynn said:
curl-6 said:

The MAGA meltdowns are pretty epic

Gee, it's almost as if we decided to start pointing fingers somehow friends! 

America, you're demented. Signed ~ The Rest of the World. 

But then you're pointing fingers at people for pointing fingers...



JWeinCom said:
AsGryffynn said:

Gee, it's almost as if we decided to start pointing fingers somehow friends! 

America, you're demented. Signed ~ The Rest of the World. 

But then you're pointing fingers at people for pointing fingers...

Fair enough. 

Don't @ me over this. 



Arizona Republicans Censure Party Leaders At Odds With Trump

So, the Arizona GOP just censured Doug Ducey, Jeff Flake, and Cindy McCain (the widow of John McCain) for there opposition towards Trump.

...So in a state where the Secretary, both Senators (for the first time since 1953), 5 out of the 9 Representatives are Democrats, AND they just flipped blue on the Presidential ballot for the first time since 1996... they decide to censure the most prominent group of Republicans who have proven they can win in that state...

The GOP here in Arizona are not too bright in case you couldn't tell. This is the absolute WORST thing they could have done. I'm from Arizona, and this state was already trending blue in the first place, but now... that trend is about to accelerate considerably.

Meanwhile, Cindy McCain on Twitter: 

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 25 January 2021

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PAOerfulone said:

Arizona Republicans Censure Party Leaders At Odds With Trump

So, the Arizona GOP just censured Doug Ducey, Jeff Flake, and Cindy McCain (the widow of John McCain) for there opposition towards Trump.

...So in a state where the Secretary, both Senators (for the first time since 1953), 5 out of the 9 Representatives are Democrats, AND they just flipped blue on the Presidential ballot for the first time since 1996... they decide to censure the most prominent group of Republicans who have proven they can win in that state...

The GOP here in Arizona are not too bright in case you couldn't tell. This is the absolute WORST thing they could have done. I'm from Arizona, and this state was already trending blue in the first place, but now... that trend is about to accelerate considerably.

Meanwhile, Cindy McCain on Twitter: 

Indeed.

The GOP (or at least a large part of it) seems to be doubling down on Trumpism even after it's cost them the House, Senate, and Presidency. If it keeps up (or the two wings really do split), perhaps it really could be the end of their power in national politics.



A Republican rejecting Trumpism is like a serial killer rejecting racism.



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PAOerfulone said:

Arizona Republicans Censure Party Leaders At Odds With Trump

So, the Arizona GOP just censured Doug Ducey, Jeff Flake, and Cindy McCain (the widow of John McCain) for there opposition towards Trump.

...So in a state where the Secretary, both Senators (for the first time since 1953), 5 out of the 9 Representatives are Democrats, AND they just flipped blue on the Presidential ballot for the first time since 1996... they decide to censure the most prominent group of Republicans who have proven they can win in that state...

The GOP here in Arizona are not too bright in case you couldn't tell. This is the absolute WORST thing they could have done. I'm from Arizona, and this state was already trending blue in the first place, but now... that trend is about to accelerate considerably.

Meanwhile, Cindy McCain on Twitter: 

Why are the voting sites even painting AZ red any longer? 

I am just hoping this schism manifests on the other side and we get four parties. 



AsGryffynn said:

vivster said:

I wonder what'll happen when Biden's 8 years are over and all of the cultists suddenly have a much better life. I guess they're gonna attribute that to Trump's forward planning?

Even I wonder who on God's Green Earth™ expects Biden to be more than a rollback to Obama era policies that didn't really do an awful lot for anyone besides attempt to eliminate Bush's horrific errors and rectify most of his mistakes. 

Damn any person who thinks he may even be able to run in 2024.

Like seriously, get your head checked. He's going to be replaced. By who I have no clue, which reminds me: who do you think gets either party's nomination in 2024? 

Joe Biden doesn't count. 

SvennoJ said:

And they would be right while completely missing the point. Masks, like social distancing, reduce spread. They don't prevent it, you're still not 100% safe with a mask, estimates only go up to 90% effectiveness for masks and that's for good quality masks. However when Rt is 1.8, stopping 50% is enough to get Rt below 1 and the virus will die out. Of course a little basic understanding of math and probabilities in particular helps.

Even then, not a single member highlighted this isn't really how transmission is stopped. Masks don't prevent the virus from coming in, they keep it from going out. The analogy would work best if you asked them to spit on their mask and then at you. A wet mask on the outside will wet through to the inside, but no one is going to go around rubbing masks on each other to share the Corona. 

Yes, what you are saying is true and there are stats that goes both ways when explaining that mask help to reduce the transmission not actually prevent you from getting the virus.  Its interesting how I had this conversation with my wife sister husband who is a staunch Trump supporter before he came down with CORVID.  I am not sure if he stills have love for Trump but he probably do not believe that the virus isn't anything to dismiss anymore since it has gone rampant within his family because of one infected cousin who transmitted it to almost everyone.  Anyway, the main point is that people will find absolutely anything to justify their opinion until they are confronted with it.



TallSilhouette said:
PAOerfulone said:

Arizona Republicans Censure Party Leaders At Odds With Trump

So, the Arizona GOP just censured Doug Ducey, Jeff Flake, and Cindy McCain (the widow of John McCain) for there opposition towards Trump.

...So in a state where the Secretary, both Senators (for the first time since 1953), 5 out of the 9 Representatives are Democrats, AND they just flipped blue on the Presidential ballot for the first time since 1996... they decide to censure the most prominent group of Republicans who have proven they can win in that state...

The GOP here in Arizona are not too bright in case you couldn't tell. This is the absolute WORST thing they could have done. I'm from Arizona, and this state was already trending blue in the first place, but now... that trend is about to accelerate considerably.

Meanwhile, Cindy McCain on Twitter: 

Indeed.

The GOP (or at least a large part of it) seems to be doubling down on Trumpism even after it's cost them the House, Senate, and Presidency. If it keeps up (or the two wings really do split), perhaps it really could be the end of their power in national politics.

I think the reason why the GOP is doubling down now on Trumpism is because of the threats both Trump and his followers have issued. Some probably fear for their life, which the congress storming showed that it could very well happen to them, too if they antagonized the more rabid sycophants of Trump. Others fear Trump could start a MAGA party and run against them, which would totally doom the GOP, as many of their voters would switch to that new party in that scenario. They went all in with Trumpism and now fear the consequences if they don't stay on the course they set on 4 years ago.

I expect Trump to run again in 2024, but with either Ivanka, Kushner or Trump Jr. as VP. The main question is, will he run as GOP, as Independent or form a new MAGA party as a platform for himself and his family?

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