Hiku said:
ConservagameR said:
So Trumps carelessly messing around with highly classified top secret nuclear docs? How did he manage that?
Did he pack and move them all himself without somehow raising any concerns, like a ninja? He's only an orange belt right?
Terrible timing for Trump considering NYC started airing this nuclear PSA early in July.
Trump caught with nuclear docs, Putin on the war path to destroy the west. It's all becoming clear now.
Didn't Trump say, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters”?
The FBI does always seem to be behind the ball aren't they? Or did they actually get ahead of it this time?
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It's not confirmed if nuclear info was among the dokuments seized. And I didn't check if the source that claimed this is the same one that revealed everything else.
But presuming he had some classified info pertaining to nukes, I think it's more likely that he planned to sell it to someone who is currently developing a nuclear program, rather than something meant to directly damage USA.
But we've heard how Trump doesn't like to read intelligence briefings and has a really low attention span for that, so maybe he accidentally took nuclear info that posed a security risk.
ConservagameR said:
Not sure what context I'm missing, but didn't Comey say Hillary knowingly had 100+ confidential docs out of the 33,000 on her server that she shouldn't have had, but that it wasn't a problem and so she wouldn't be charged in any way? Not sure how that can slide and get's a pass, but Trump needs to pay in this case.
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The big difference is what I'll explain under the quote below. But it's also worth noting that she wasn't hiding the fact that she stored all her emails in a private server the whole time. Nor did she move them somewhere after she left office. It was seemingly a careless boomer mistake regarding technology, and she handed over the whole server to the investigation, hence no criminal intent.
Trump however took phtysical domunents out of the white house, to somewhere he should know very well they are not allowed to be. Especially after all the commotion he made about Hillary's emails. Physically moving them out of office is acalculated move. Why go through that effort?
ConservagameR said:
As for having docs he shouldn't have, if the Government somehow allowed him to have them, that's not Trumps fault. Somebody else obviously didn't do their job then. Now if they brought it to his attention and asked for it back, he should give it back in a reasonable amount of time. This is Trump though, so I could see him dragging it out on purpose to get some payback from his point of view, or to use it politically later. Trump likes to point out problems with the Government and make an example of it. |
And here's the major difference.
Even if we assume that Trump initially somehow thought he was allowed to take them, that argument doesn't hold up any more after we found out that he was subpoenad for all documents labeled classified in June, and he only returned some of them.
He even left a statement through his lawyer that "all documents labeled classified have now been returned".
Except there were still 11 more boxes of them left. Someone in Trump's inner circle seemingly ratted him out on this, and so the search warrant happened.
So do you see the difference now? Even if Hillary had done the exact same thing and taken physical documents to her home, the initial presumption and conclusion for both Trump and Hillary was that there was no criminal intent.
But that changed for Trump when he didn't give back all of them when he had the chance to do so. Now the courts, FBI and justice depeartment have to ask themselves why Trump and his lawyers lied when they assured them that all documents marked classified had been handed over.
That's why it seems like criminal intent this time around.
Trump did get a pass. In June.
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Ok so Trump get's to take docs he shouldn't be taking? The Government allows that, or would they have made a mistake?
Allowing the docs to get out, if they shouldn't have, wouldn't really be Trumps fault unless he snuck them out in that case.
Since he's said to be a complete and utter moron by some, you wouldn't assume he would know what he had or if he could have it.
As for regardless, the Government wants the docs back, it's not possible Trump had an old man boomer moment and missed them?
Did the FBI assume this like Hillary and come back to Trump and mention they knew there were 11 more boxes and wanted all of it?
Were all the boxed docs together in the same place where it would be impossible to hand over what he did, yet miss 11?
Even if someone on the inside leaked the fact Trump still had classified boxes, does that mean Trump knew they were there?
Would this make this leaker a good trustworthy person? Could Trump assume this is a plot against him once the FBI bursts in?
Depends a lot on how much Trump did and knew himself for certain. Did Trump pack anything and go through everything once in Florida?
Did Trump have others pack and move the boxes to Florida, as well as have them moved around there for him, like for locking them down safely?
Just curious about what the known facts are as to the situation. Seems to me like a lot of assumptions being made by many yet so far.