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Machiavellian said:
SvennoJ said:

You can always go for a demonstration. Tell them to wear a mask and spit in their face on the mask. Then ask them, would you like me to do that again without the mask? Did it work?

That would not work because they will show you a study that the virus is airborne and its much smaller than the fabric of your common cloth mask.  They would say because of that the Virus doesn't stay within droplets but is passed from your breath.

And they would be right while completely missing the point. Masks, like social distancing, reduce spread. They don't prevent it, you're still not 100% safe with a mask, estimates only go up to 90% effectiveness for masks and that's for good quality masks. However when Rt is 1.8, stopping 50% is enough to get Rt below 1 and the virus will die out. Of course a little basic understanding of math and probabilities in particular helps.



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vivster said:

I wonder what'll happen when Biden's 8 years are over and all of the cultists suddenly have a much better life. I guess they're gonna attribute that to Trump's forward planning?

Even I wonder who on God's Green Earth™ expects Biden to be more than a rollback to Obama era policies that didn't really do an awful lot for anyone besides attempt to eliminate Bush's horrific errors and rectify most of his mistakes. 

Damn any person who thinks he may even be able to run in 2024.

Like seriously, get your head checked. He's going to be replaced. By who I have no clue, which reminds me: who do you think gets either party's nomination in 2024? 

Joe Biden doesn't count. 

SvennoJ said:
Machiavellian said:

And they would be right while completely missing the point. Masks, like social distancing, reduce spread. They don't prevent it, you're still not 100% safe with a mask, estimates only go up to 90% effectiveness for masks and that's for good quality masks. However when Rt is 1.8, stopping 50% is enough to get Rt below 1 and the virus will die out. Of course a little basic understanding of math and probabilities in particular helps.

Even then, not a single member highlighted this isn't really how transmission is stopped. Masks don't prevent the virus from coming in, they keep it from going out. The analogy would work best if you asked them to spit on their mask and then at you. A wet mask on the outside will wet through to the inside, but no one is going to go around rubbing masks on each other to share the Corona. 



AsGryffynn said:
SvennoJ said:

And they would be right while completely missing the point. Masks, like social distancing, reduce spread. They don't prevent it, you're still not 100% safe with a mask, estimates only go up to 90% effectiveness for masks and that's for good quality masks. However when Rt is 1.8, stopping 50% is enough to get Rt below 1 and the virus will die out. Of course a little basic understanding of math and probabilities in particular helps.

Even then, not a single member highlighted this isn't really how transmission is stopped. Masks don't prevent the virus from coming in, they keep it from going out. The analogy would work best if you asked them to spit on their mask and then at you. A wet mask on the outside will wet through to the inside, but no one is going to go around rubbing masks on each other to share the Corona. 

That's not true. The standard masks reduce the amount coming in by 70% and going out by 80%, so they're almost as effective at preventing it from coming in as they are keeping it from going out.

Don't have an English source, sorry. But the figures are the amount that gets through the mask, so the lower the better. You can clearly see the arrows leading in have a reduction to the amount getting through.



AsGryffynn said:

vivster said:

I wonder what'll happen when Biden's 8 years are over and all of the cultists suddenly have a much better life. I guess they're gonna attribute that to Trump's forward planning?

Even I wonder who on God's Green Earth™ expects Biden to be more than a rollback to Obama era policies that didn't really do an awful lot for anyone besides attempt to eliminate Bush's horrific errors and rectify most of his mistakes. 

Damn any person who thinks he may even be able to run in 2024.

Like seriously, get your head checked. He's going to be replaced. By who I have no clue, which reminds me: who do you think gets either party's nomination in 2024? 

Joe Biden doesn't count.  

As long as people make the mistake of voting for Republicans reverting the damage they have caused is the best thing anyone can expect. That's not on Biden or Obama. They just try their best to revert the country back from the hellhole Republicans left it to be. Real progress will come when Democrats actually stay in power.

But I don't expect anything else from people like you, since this is their favorite talking point against Democrats. "Democrats never achieve anything". Yeah, no shit sherlock, of course they can't achieve anything if they are always busy with reverting Republican damage and all of their actual progressive pushes are constantly heavily sabotaged in a spirit of "bipartisanship".

Biden is going to be better than Obama. Not necessarily because he's more progressive, but because he has both the power of the houses and increasingly loud progressive voices within his party. He doesn't actually have to do much except for reverting everything Trump did. All he needs to do is put progressives in high positions and they'll do the work. Bernie's new position alone will make more difference than anything Biden could ever do by himself. Biden is going to be a useful figurehead, but nothing more.

Biden has already said he's going to forgo bipartisan efforts if Republicans don't play nice and that's already the best anyone can hope for.



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I don't get why people don't want to wear a mask. Any excuse to look like a ninja I'm taking it.



Hiku said:

Thread of arrests:

QAnon wanted to see mass arrests, they got them - just probably not quite the people they expected to be arrested...



The MAGA meltdowns are pretty epic



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:

The MAGA meltdowns are pretty epic

I got flashbacks to this here when seeing that video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wG_h3U568w

Spoiler!

Spoiler!



And the bullshit just keeps piling on.

Edit: One of "at least" 119 people. And what about the 5,000 other ones?