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Do you think the people praising the Switch's library are hypocrites for not praising/not buying the Wii U's library?

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Azuren said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah but how many consoles have 2 97/100 metacritic games in their first year ? Or even per year ? Pokémon and Smash will be 2018 AAA titles. I do not expect them to hit the 97/100 mark but still, 2 big games every year is something, especially with a lot of great smaller games. And I'm sorry but "already released on Wii U" doesn't make a game bad or not worth playing.

How many other IPs have the advantage of 30 years of nostalgia? I've learned not to trust review scores on Mario or Zelda games, because even if they were bad (*coughSkywardSwordcoughcough*) they're still going to get great scores for fear of crucification. And that's not even something without evidence, as we saw what happened when Jimquisition gave a review on BotW. And while fan backlash against middling reviews isn't exclusive to Nintendo IPs, dammit it was a whole lot more intense when Zelda got a 7 than when God of War got one.

 

I have no doubt that Smash and Pokemon are going to rock the industry, though. Smash will probably review an MC of 85-94, but Pokemon will likely suffer from the casual aspects and get an 82-87.

 

A game being on the Wii U matters significantly less than it being on XB360 or PS3. It's harder to expect someone to rebuy TLOU when it sold gangbusters on a system with 80m+ users. But the Wii U didn't even break 15m. It has less than an eighth of the people who bought PS3/XB360, so people are significantly less likely to have played Mario Kart 8 than, say, Prototype. So it's not that Nintendo fans are hypocrites, it's that new and returning Nintendo fans are getting a chance to try out great games that they missed.

Except most of the mainline games have averaged around that particular score, 82-87. Ultra Sun/Moon has an 84 Metacritic, Sun/Moon have an 87, and X/Y have an 87/88 Meta.

As for the other bolded part, I agree. Only about 14-15 million people owned a Wii U. Bayonetta 2, DKC: TF, and Captain Toad kinda suffered sales-wise so giving them a second chance is nice. Heck, didn't people here want Xenoblade X and Tokyo Mirage Sessions ports for Switch?



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SKMBlake said:
Azuren said:

How many other IPs have the advantage of 30 years of nostalgia? I've learned not to trust review scores on Mario or Zelda games, because even if they were bad (*coughSkywardSwordcoughcough*) they're still going to get great scores for fear of crucification. And that's not even something without evidence, as we saw what happened when Jimquisition gave a review on BotW. And while fan backlash against middling reviews isn't exclusive to Nintendo IPs, dammit it was a whole lot more intense when Zelda got a 7 than when God of War got one.

I don't believe in the "nostalgia" biaisis. BOTW and Super Mario Odyssey are two masterpieces, and the latter quickly became my favourite game of all time. And I'm saying it as a Sony fanboy.

And the Jimquisition case was special, his 7 was the reason why Zelda went from 98/100 to 97/100. 

Freaking out over review scores like this is a more of an issue of gamers in general than Nintendo fanboys.



Jim Sterling is just an attention seeker. Not sure why you'd waste time even mentioning him, or anything he does.

If you're gonna complain about how the metascore was changed, you should be discussing Metacritic's faulty algorithm.



The Switch and the Wii U aren't even in the same realm of reality. The Wii U was truly a dumpster fire pushed down a mountain into lava and then set off with a nuclear bomb. Switch, on the other hand, is pleasant; even if there are ports from the Wii U - just being able to not have to play them on it is a blessing. No hypocrisy here.



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SKMBlake said:
DialgaMarine said:
I think the problem is that Sony and PS4 got a lot of criticism from Nintendo users about how they were putting out too many remastered early on in the gen, yet here we are and Nintendo is pretty much banking on Wii U ports after a decent first wave of exclusives. I mean, besides Kirby and the recent Mario Tennis, has Nintendo even put out a AAA Switch exclusive since SMO? Kindof disappointing, considering neither of games are quite up to par.

Yeah but how many consoles have 2 97/100 metacritic games in their first year ? Or even per year ? Pokémon and Smash will be 2018 AAA titles. I do not expect them to hit the 97/100 mark but still, 2 big games every year is something, especially with a lot of great smaller games. And I'm sorry but "already released on Wii U" doesn't make a game bad or not worth playing.

 Smash is looking good for sure, but please don’t mention that casual Pokémon Go expansion crap. Switch isn’t getting a real Pokémon game until late 2019. 



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It isn't so much the games.

It is that Switch is portable and can be played anywhere that makes it more attractive. The Wii U playing on screen vs TV in the same house (or playing multi player on tv and on screen were it's selling points. Many did not like that idea. For me it was fun playing call of duty that way with my friend on Wii U.

If anything the Wii U library was more impressive from a 3rd party perspective on Wii U thus far, well for my tastes.



 

 

DialgaMarine said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah but how many consoles have 2 97/100 metacritic games in their first year ? Or even per year ? Pokémon and Smash will be 2018 AAA titles. I do not expect them to hit the 97/100 mark but still, 2 big games every year is something, especially with a lot of great smaller games. And I'm sorry but "already released on Wii U" doesn't make a game bad or not worth playing.

 Smash is looking good for sure, but please don’t mention that casual Pokémon Go expansion crap. Switch isn’t getting a real Pokémon game until late 2019. 

You do realize that this is Pokemon we are talking about. Even though it doesn't appeal to me, it still get a lot of people to buy a Nintendo switch



DialgaMarine said:
I think the problem is that Sony and PS4 got a lot of criticism from Nintendo users about how they were putting out too many remastered early on in the gen, yet here we are and Nintendo is pretty much banking on Wii U ports after a decent first wave of exclusives. I mean, besides Kirby and the recent Mario Tennis, has Nintendo even put out a AAA Switch exclusive since SMO? Kindof disappointing, considering neither of games are quite up to par.

As always: neither Nintendo-, nor PS- or Xbox-fans are a homogenous group. So some Nintendo-fans might have painted the early PS4 as "Remasterstation" or the likes, but not all. And probably not the same that are pleased about the WiiU-ports.



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DialgaMarine said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah but how many consoles have 2 97/100 metacritic games in their first year ? Or even per year ? Pokémon and Smash will be 2018 AAA titles. I do not expect them to hit the 97/100 mark but still, 2 big games every year is something, especially with a lot of great smaller games. And I'm sorry but "already released on Wii U" doesn't make a game bad or not worth playing.

 Smash is looking good for sure, but please don’t mention that casual Pokémon Go expansion crap. Switch isn’t getting a real Pokémon game until late 2019. 

But lets not disregard Pokemon Let's Go either. Its developed by Game Freak and directed by Junichi Masuda, one of the long-time care takers of the franchise as composer, producer, director, and programmer. Casual or not, its a big game and its not like its completely stripped of what it used to be. Heck, fans and non-fans alike have criticized the mainline games for staying mostly the same.



DialgaMarine said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah but how many consoles have 2 97/100 metacritic games in their first year ? Or even per year ? Pokémon and Smash will be 2018 AAA titles. I do not expect them to hit the 97/100 mark but still, 2 big games every year is something, especially with a lot of great smaller games. And I'm sorry but "already released on Wii U" doesn't make a game bad or not worth playing.

 Smash is looking good for sure, but please don’t mention that casual Pokémon Go expansion crap. Switch isn’t getting a real Pokémon game until late 2019. 

I don't really understand the hate for Let's Go. Sure, I would like a real Pokemon more, but I'm fine with waiting till next year if the result pleases. Let's Go looks simpler, but overall fine. And it has very few to do with Pokeomon Go. The catching screen looks similar - and that's it. Let's Go has a designed overworld, a story, trainer battles, experience and levels, and, and, and ... And even more: it has besides the catching screen no other things from Pokemon Go: no geolocation, no Pokestop-locations, no Pokestop-Gyms. So I really don't understand it. I can understand if people skip Let's Go and wait for the real next thing, that's fine. But downplaying it as a Pokemon Go port or whatever doesn't feel right.



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