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Do you think the people praising the Switch's library are hypocrites for not praising/not buying the Wii U's library?

Nah, the Wii U Sucks. 23 58.97%
 
HYPOCRITES! Justice for the Wii U! 16 41.03%
 
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I have always been curious about this type of generalization. How many fans do you think Nintendo has? (and Sony and Microsoft). I do not think that buying a certain console automatically converts you into a fan, but I'm going to say this: the vast majority of those who bought the Wii U, are surely Nintendo fans, since the console alone is not attractive enough, opposite to Switch. So I do not really see the hypocrisy, probably most of those who are Nintendo fans bought the Wii u and at some point bought the Switch. The Switch has been a much more attractive console for those who are not fans.



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bigtakilla said:
Eh, I like Arlo, but he seems to talk a lot with his emotions a lot rather than his head. Of course the Switch has more top notch games, it pretty much ripped the entire Wii U library out from under it. There is also not a great NEW 1ST PARTY IP this gen yet, you can argue ARMS I guess. Nintendo course corrected with it's first party output, and made a console that was super easy to make games for, because simply put it does nothing really new to the formula. Yes, it detaches from a dock and you can take games on the go, but it doesn't offer anything really to change actual gameplay than Xbox or Sony really.

I mean you can throw out detaching the controllers and playing two player games on a single joycon, but that's rather limited, and few games actually use it nor is it really all that appealing. Most people would rather just use two pro controllers like any other normal console. I mean, who's gonna be that guy? Go ahead, I wanna see that guy who says having two people play on a single joycon is a superior experience.... I'll wait...

The online for the Switch is a joke, and I really don't see why they didn't just move Miiverse to it... Oh yeah, that's right they want you to PAY for online this gen. Miiverse was great, a social media place for Nintendo fans to all gather and share their experiences of their games that isn't nearly as cumbersome as all this crap they got now. You got stamps in Mario 3D World to show feats because you only got certain stamps after completing certain tasks, you could post videos of certain games like Mario Kart 8 or Smash, and screenshots of games that were graphically breathtaking like Xenoblade X. Now I know the Switch has the ability to share different things, but currently only in the game, yet again very inconvenient comparatively. Wii U had a mic built into the controller, Switch does not, Wii U had internet explorer day 1, Switch does not. Online wise the two don't even compare.

This brings us to the elephant in the room, the games. The Wii U was the turning point for Nintendo by headlining mature rated games, and start welcoming 3rd parties back not only with open arms, but open wallets. Resurrected Bayonetta and Fatal Frame, got Wonderful 101 and Tokyo Mirage Sessions, got plenty of times exclusives (that were probably at one point supposed to be full exclusives) like Zombi U and Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge, and had some great 1st party offerings like, well, most of them (it is Nintendo after all). Also, probably their most significant (in terms of selling power) new IP in decades was created in the Wii U gen, Splatoon, not to mention the other two great Nintendo IP created like Wonderful 101 and Mario Maker not to mention LoZ BoTW was supposed to be a Wii U exclusive. Arlo can give whatever excuses he wants on why that doesn't count, but it does...Beyond that we could actually go a lot deeper and look at what that specific gen offered with the Nintendo 3DS (like the revitalization of Fire Emblem), but none of us have that time.

The Wii U was the best and the worst of Nintendo, I can happily admit that. The 3DS is the best and worst of Nintendo, likewise. It's a little awkward, it could be more powerful, use of the "gimmick" may hinder some experiences, some games don't even bother to utilize what makes these systems different, but they felt uniquely Nintendo love or hate it. It had a LOT more hits than it did misses, and you leave the gen grateful for the experience it had given. I'll easily look at my time with the gamepad as an overwhelmingly positive one.

How many people here can directly admit that the Switch is the best and worst of current gaming trends. Season passes, dlc expansions, paid online services, ports galore, and homogenized game experiences. How many people younger than 16 (or whatever the legal age to join the workforce is where you live) that won't be able to get all this dlc, or all those season passes, ect. How many won't be able to get their online services and therefore won't be allowed to play Splatoon 2, or Smash come September (I believe)? Progress?.... Sigh* Whatever....

What is there to say though? Metroid will more than likely be great, Bayo 3 I'm willing to bet will be a masterpiece, Fire Emblem will more than likely expand it's audience, a mainline Pokémon game built up on their "home console" is obviously gonna sell gangbusters, and every port they get, even though not as good as the other home console versions will be fine with Nintendo audiences because you can take it on the go because people do that I guess. Meanwhile the future for Nintendo.... really just seems like it's gonna be the same as the other 2 consoles, but less powerful again. That's not a bad thing, but it's not something that needs to be praised as the best thing ever. In a lot of ways it's not even as good of an approach as the Wii U.

The Wii U's gamepad gimmick was not fun to use. It was bulky, has an unreasonably small battery life, and weird layout (right thumbstick above the buttons). Most of the games on the gamepad don't even use the gamepad feature and made the console the unreasonably expensive ($350) and it looked like a fisher price. Even the ones that use it ruined a lot of games due to either forced motion controls and looking at two screens at once (Starfox Zero), terrible RPG battles (Paper Mario color Splash), or a Mario Party clone spinoff with forced amiibo gimmick (Animal crossing Amiibo festival). 

 

The Switch, on the other hand, is home console games on the go. That's something that anyone can get behind. It's sleek, lightweight, and has a better price ($300).

 

I don't really like to use the sideways joy-cons but in all honesty, you aren't forced to use it. Unlike the Wii U where there were a lot of games that forced you to use the bulky gamepad. Even if you are able to use the U pro controller it still has that right thumbstick above the buttons layout (Why?).

 

True, it doesn't have a lot of features like internet and Netflix. But really, isn't the entire point of a video game console is to play video games?  Switching between games and apps is so sluggish. The Switch is really fast and has a very sleek menu design, however, I do wish there were more themes.

 

Breath of the Wild on the Wii U launched on the same day that the Switch and it's version launched. Nobody was going to buy the Wii U for Breath of the Wild when they can just buy the new and hot Nintendo Switch. Also, The Wii U's gamepad gimmick was not fun to use. It was bulky, has an unreasonably small battery life, and weird layout (right thumbstick above the buttons). Most of the games on the gamepad don't even use the gamepad feature and made the console the unreasonably expensive ($350) and it looked like a fisher price. Even the ones that use it ruined a lot of games due to either forced motion controls and looking at two screens at once (Starfox Zero), terrible RPG battles (Paper Mario color Splash), or a Mario Party clone spinoff with forced amiibo gimmick (Animal crossing Amiibo festival). 

 

The Switch, on the other hand, is home console games on the go. That's something that anyone can get behind. It's sleek, lightweight, and has a better price ($300).

 

I don't really like to use the sideways joy-cons but in all honesty, you aren't forced to use it. Unlike the Wii U where there were a lot of games that forced you to use the bulky gamepad. Even if you are able to use the U pro controller it still has that right thumbstick above the buttons layout (Why?).

 

True, it doesn't have alot of features like internet and Netflix. But really, isn't the entire point of a video game console is to play video games?  Switching between games and apps is so sluggish. The Switch is really fast and has a very sleek menu design, however, I do wish there were more themes.

 

Breath of the Wild on the Wii U launched on the same day that the Switch and it's version launched. Nobody was going to buy the Wii U for Breath of the Wild when they can just buy the new and hot Nintendo Switch. Also there's this:



Someone necrobump this thread in 2022, when Switch is 5 years old, like the Wii U was, when BotW launched. Should be good for a few laughs.



bigtakilla said:
The real hypocrisy is how he believes these are the only games of note of the Wii U's 4 years. Where's Pikmin 3, where's Wooly World, where's Color Splash, where's Tokyo Mirage Sessions, where's Fatal Frame 5, Star Fox Zero ( I could go on, but why, you get the point)?

Those games aren't even shown on meme Arlo was talking about.

Besides most of those games that you mentioned are good but not system sellers. PAper Mario Color Splash and Starfox Zero sold poorly and were not liked by most fans of those series.



Rocketjay8 said: 

Even if you are able to use the U pro controller it still has that right thumbstick above the buttons layout (Why?).

Because it's better. 

Other than that, I agree with the sentiment. The Wii U simply never felt like a fully fleshed out product and it offered a kind of weird game experience right from the get go. 

That being said, I still infinitely prefer the Wii U over the Switch. 



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first. 

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Arlo deserves much more fame for his unique style.
Yeah the Wii U felt like an upgraded Wii with less games and popularity, switch seems to put some weight on the market again .



Cerebralbore101 said:
Kai_Mao said:

But lets not disregard Pokemon Let's Go either. Its developed by Game Freak and directed by Junichi Masuda, one of the long-time care takers of the franchise as composer, producer, director, and programmer. Casual or not, its a big game and its not like its completely stripped of what it used to be. Heck, fans and non-fans alike have criticized the mainline games for staying mostly the same.

There's a surprising amount of things in the Let's Go games that just water the entire formula down too much for my tastes. 

1. No field battles.

This may wind up making the game terribly short. I welcome the removal of random encounters, and much prefer field-on enemies as popularized in Chrono Trigger. But throwing Pokeballs is no replacement for fighting wild Pokes. Which brings me to my next point... 

2. Capture mechanics from Pokemon Go.

Sorry, but throwing Pokeballs just isn't fun. One of the things that makes Poke'mon so much fun is building your Pokedex IMO. But if the core mechanic for doing so is bad, then that makes a lot of the game bad.

3. There's no breeding. 

1. A blessing in disguise? IMO, the most annoying thing about Pokémon is grinding pokemon battles in the wild. Hell, 99% of the nuzlocks you see online, the person tries to skip every wild encounter and only fights trainers. They still become over leveled.  What is so fun about wild battles? I never found them exciting. You just switch to a Pokémon that won't kill them, toss down a paralyze or something and then your tossing pokeballs. Formulaic boredom. Don't see this as any different, just cutting to the chase. Plus this game you see them in the wild, so you can SKIP the wild encounters instead of having to click run or use a repel.

2. Again, mechanic is not new. You had to throw pokeballs before, just had to do a tedious step beforehand and now you have to flick your wrist.



Metallox said:

Rocketjay8 said: 

Even if you are able to use the U pro controller it still has that right thumbstick above the buttons layout (Why?).

Because it's better. 

Other than that, I agree with the sentiment. The Wii U simply never felt like a fully fleshed out product and it offered a kind of weird game experience right from the get go. 

That being said, I still infinitely prefer the Wii U over the Switch. 

Glad you're able to enjoy the stick layout. I get the reason for the joy-con right joy-cons' joystick (multiplayer and limited space). But the Wii U's pro controller has no reason for having the same layout as the gamepad.

I did enjoy the Wii U, it just that there are so many annoying things about it.



Let me guess, this video is Arlo attacking low-hanging fruit by addressing a controversy with overtly bad points in an attempt to make the Switch seem more flawless than it actually is? I probably hit the nail on the head. I'm waiting for the day when someone who actually has decent points about the Switch's library can actually speak up and have their points addressed, instead of people always replying to the dumbest of arguments to make an entire subsection of people who are disappointed with the Switch's library seem ridiculous. 

I feel like Arlo does this a lot. To this day I still remember how bad his video about ports was, because there was so much inherent flaws in his arguments, but also because the arguments were so unoriginal that the whole video was basically the same defense that had been used for months by every Nintendo fan with access to the internet already. I mean does Arlo not get the irony when he says "but it is a pet peeve of mine when people - instead of stating their own opinions - attack the opinions of others, and make silly generalizations like this, ignoring the many, many factors that come into play with any given subject".  Like really? Any of your argumentative videos make silly generalizations to oversimplify any points that go against your own viewpoint, and are just completely unoriginal. 

But sure Arlo, congratulations on making a video pointing out the obvious. It feels incredibly disingenuous, but yes, that image is incredibly stupid, and you pointed out why well. 

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Metallox said:

Rocketjay8 said: 

Even if you are able to use the U pro controller it still has that right thumbstick above the buttons layout (Why?).

Because it's better. 

Other than that, I agree with the sentiment. The Wii U simply never felt like a fully fleshed out product and it offered a kind of weird game experience right from the get go. 

That being said, I still infinitely prefer the Wii U over the Switch. 

Kinda funny reading this while looking at your profile picture. :P