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This is a good game, sure it has some really bad pacing at times, some padding and not that engaging side content but it's a really good game.

That guy just wants to be edgy.



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I hear this guy likes the Metal Gear series and Asura's Wrath, both known for long cutscenes. So what will they complain about next? The grass quality?



PwerlvlAmy said:
Mar1217 said:

Laid back comments like this are probably the thing we're gonna see here.

which is the correct approach.

Well it would be pretty boring forum (and indeed a boring world) if the most common response to disagreement is "cool, that's your opinion", so I don't really see a problem with more extensively discussing the merits of said opinions.



Teeqoz said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

which is the correct approach.

Well it would be pretty boring forum (and indeed a boring world) if the most common response to disagreement is "cool, that's your opinion", so I don't really see a problem with more extensively discussing the merits of said opinions.

True, but at the same time, people usually take any negative talk against their favorite game as a personal attack against themselves.  



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Ya, BS as usual.

The only valid point is regarding climbing.


"God of War is another franchise that's falling to cinematic trends"

Uhh. He did play the previous games and knows the meaning of "cinematic"?



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DakonBlackblade said:
KLAMarine said:

1. 14 minutes is too long for my taste especially when compared to predecessors and how quickly they jumped into the action. Was it boring? I thought so, I'm used to Kratos yelling and ripping monsters apart. I'm used to God of War games and hack-and-slash games in general getting my adrenaline pumping, not to relax me like a stroll at a park.

2. The video in the OP acknowledges there are moves to be learned (5:55, 15:55). He says he likes this. I think his beef is just things like increasing strength don't do much to teaching Kratos new moves. A swing of Kratos's axe at strength 5 plays the same as one at strength 6 or 7.

3. In my opinion, yes. More extreme cinematic sequences are a bad thing.

4. I think it's more a fact of this new GoW moving away from the hack-and-slash conventions which existed in the franchise prior. Kratos can't jump anymore, the camera is glued to Kratos's back now, there are walking sections now, no more combo counter. I'm sure this new God of War will get tons of fans but for old-time fans like TheGamingBrit, this new God of War formula just doesn't seem for him.

5. Maybe The Last of Us DID take inspiration from Ico but when TLoU released in 2013, it was a new IP. This new God of War is one with previous titles being hack-and-slash titles with fans of said genre partaking in the game.

They're two different scenarios where TLoU is a new franchise giving it a chance to establish its identity. God of War 4 is a franchise grabbing some conventions from a disparate title and betraying some of its previous identity. Could you imagine if The Last of Us 2 were to become a kart racer or turn-based strategy or multiplayer only? I think some people would reach for their torches and pitchforks.

Youre basicaly criticising the game for being exactly what it set out to be, its like watching a comedy and then saying it sucks cause its a comedy not an horror movie. Youd have a point if the game had been advertised as more of the same and then you got it and it was completly different, when in fact they said from the get go, this is very very different from the old games, anyone who plays it expecting the old games will obviously be disapointed.

Point 2 is nonsensical tough, stats work like that, they don't change mechanics (some even actualy do, like luck and cooldown) they just make you stronger, thats how stats work. And there are a lot of depth to the whole thing here, you have talismans with different use powers, different rune skills, enchantments with a multitude of different passive abilitys, pommels that have a multitude of effects that affect gameplay and even armor sets that give you some extra skills that will also have a visible impact on gameplay (aside from learnable skills).

About point 4, thats just not true, ppl who don't want anything to change have a problem with the new GoW, but a lot of ppl who love the series (me included) played the new GoW and loved it to bits understanding that this was a different take on the series and because it has enormous respect and love to the lore of the world and the character of Kratos. Also the gameplay is pure fun.

And adressing the comparison to TLoU again, this game ahs nothing in common to that one, aside from having a companion, and even that isn't very similar cause Atreus is fundamentaly integrated on the gameplay. I played on the "Give me God of War" difficulty and completed 100% of the game, the difficulty is super brutal and Atreus is the key to sucess, the kid can do wonders in battle, by himself and at your command, without him the gameplay looses half of its fun.

Also the whole underline worry that the youtuber has, that this game is bad for the industry because it has too much story, is a falacy caus ethe industry needs as many single player games as it can get since companies nowadays only want to do some multiplayer arena of whatever with no story where you repeatedly do the same thing over and over again and gets addicted.

"Youre basicaly criticising the game for being exactly what it set out to be, its like watching a comedy and then saying it sucks cause its a comedy not an horror movie. Youd have a point if the game had been advertised as more of the same and then you got it and it was completly different, when in fact they said from the get go, this is very very different from the old games, anyone who plays it expecting the old games will obviously be disapointed."

>TheGamingBrit didn't originally intend to play this game since he didn't like what he was seeing in previews. He did this video after so many were bothering him to review it.

"Point 2 is nonsensical tough, stats work like that, they don't change mechanics (some even actualy do, like luck and cooldown) they just make you stronger, thats how stats work. And there are a lot of depth to the whole thing here, you have talismans with different use powers, different rune skills, enchantments with a multitude of different passive abilitys, pommels that have a multitude of effects that affect gameplay and even armor sets that give you some extra skills that will also have a visible impact on gameplay (aside from learnable skills)."

>TGB addresses some of these things in the video (5:55, 15:55)

"About point 4, thats just not true, ppl who don't want anything to change have a problem with the new GoW, but a lot of ppl who love the series (me included) played the new GoW and loved it to bits understanding that this was a different take on the series and because it has enormous respect and love to the lore of the world and the character of Kratos. Also the gameplay is pure fun."

>What about point 4 is not true? I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.

"And adressing the comparison to TLoU again, this game ahs nothing in common to that one, aside from having a companion, and even that isn't very similar cause Atreus is fundamentaly integrated on the gameplay. I played on the "Give me God of War" difficulty and completed 100% of the game, the difficulty is super brutal and Atreus is the key to sucess, the kid can do wonders in battle, by himself and at your command, without him the gameplay looses half of its fun."

>Over the shoulder camera is another similarity, emphasis on story, puzzles that are solved in cooperation with companion. Not saying these are bad things, just that these aspects are similar between the two games.

"Also the whole underline worry that the youtuber has, that this game is bad for the industry because it has too much story, is a falacy caus ethe industry needs as many single player games as it can get since companies nowadays only want to do some multiplayer arena of whatever with no story where you repeatedly do the same thing over and over again and gets addicted."

>The previous God of Wars were single-player games too! That's sort of besides the point however, TGB's concern is this new God of War's success could influence other hack-and-slash games to start incorporating these TLoU conventions, conventions he's not a fan of.

DaveTheMinion13 said:
Outside having a kid this game is nothing like Last of Us. People really need to stop....puzzles, gameplay, game world, fights, nothing like it at all.

Person who made this post hasn't even played the game to have a valid opinion. Saying it could be bad for the industry is one of the dumbest things ive read.

I'd consider it bad for the industry if it started to influence other hack-and-slash games to start adopting things from it like over-the-shoulder camera view and less emphasis on hack-and-slash and more emphasis on narrative.

GribbleGrunger said:
DialgaMarine said:
Sounds like the type that came into the game wanting to be dissapointed, so all he did was go out of his way to find whatever flaws he could, and even make some up.

That's exactly what he did. 

What flaws were made up?

GOWTLOZ said:
GamingBritShow is a Devil May Cry fanboy who always hated on the old God of War games for being different kind of hack and slash and popular than DMC. This makes his complaints about this game being different than older GOW games funnier. He criticises the game for doing what Naughty Dog games do while he praises Naughty Dog games.

He is so full of shit. Always been a God of War hater and has an echo chamber of followers chanting what he says while they haven't played the game. He is justifying his rant on E3 2016 reveal in the face of gamers and critics saying otherwise. Funny that all haters are the people who didn't play the game.

"always hated on the old God of War games for being different kind of hack and slash"

>Example of this?

"He criticises the game for doing what Naughty Dog games do while he praises Naughty Dog games."

>Perhaps he expects his hack-and-slash games to remain hack-and-slash games and ND games to be ND games?

deskpro2k3 said:
I hear this guy likes the Metal Gear series and Asura's Wrath, both known for long cutscenes. So what will they complain about next? The grass quality?

Has TGB ever complained about long cutscenes?

 

FYI, here's the rant video he uploaded in 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY6vIDCK7iQ



Zoombael said:
Ya, BS as usual.

The only valid point is regarding climbing.


"God of War is another franchise that's falling to cinematic trends"

Uhh. He did play the previous games and knows the meaning of "cinematic"?

What do you consider cinematic?



KLAMarine said:

>Perhaps he expects his hack-and-slash games to remain hack-and-slash games and ND games to be ND games?

deskpro2k3 said:
I hear this guy likes the Metal Gear series and Asura's Wrath, both known for long cutscenes. So what will they complain about next? The grass quality?

Has TGB ever complained about long cutscenes?

FYI, here's the rant video he uploaded in 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY6vIDCK7iQ

 

OK first of all. Who is he to say what a ND game should be like and a hack & slash game should be like? Ever heard of Way of the Warrior, from ND.

Going by your OP, yes he complained about GOW cutscenes, but as I said above I've heard he likes MGS.

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KLAMarine said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Youre basicaly criticising the game for being exactly what it set out to be, its like watching a comedy and then saying it sucks cause its a comedy not an horror movie. Youd have a point if the game had been advertised as more of the same and then you got it and it was completly different, when in fact they said from the get go, this is very very different from the old games, anyone who plays it expecting the old games will obviously be disapointed.

Point 2 is nonsensical tough, stats work like that, they don't change mechanics (some even actualy do, like luck and cooldown) they just make you stronger, thats how stats work. And there are a lot of depth to the whole thing here, you have talismans with different use powers, different rune skills, enchantments with a multitude of different passive abilitys, pommels that have a multitude of effects that affect gameplay and even armor sets that give you some extra skills that will also have a visible impact on gameplay (aside from learnable skills).

About point 4, thats just not true, ppl who don't want anything to change have a problem with the new GoW, but a lot of ppl who love the series (me included) played the new GoW and loved it to bits understanding that this was a different take on the series and because it has enormous respect and love to the lore of the world and the character of Kratos. Also the gameplay is pure fun.

And adressing the comparison to TLoU again, this game ahs nothing in common to that one, aside from having a companion, and even that isn't very similar cause Atreus is fundamentaly integrated on the gameplay. I played on the "Give me God of War" difficulty and completed 100% of the game, the difficulty is super brutal and Atreus is the key to sucess, the kid can do wonders in battle, by himself and at your command, without him the gameplay looses half of its fun.

Also the whole underline worry that the youtuber has, that this game is bad for the industry because it has too much story, is a falacy caus ethe industry needs as many single player games as it can get since companies nowadays only want to do some multiplayer arena of whatever with no story where you repeatedly do the same thing over and over again and gets addicted.

"Youre basicaly criticising the game for being exactly what it set out to be, its like watching a comedy and then saying it sucks cause its a comedy not an horror movie. Youd have a point if the game had been advertised as more of the same and then you got it and it was completly different, when in fact they said from the get go, this is very very different from the old games, anyone who plays it expecting the old games will obviously be disapointed."

>TheGamingBrit didn't originally intend to play this game since he didn't like what he was seeing in previews. He did this video after so many were bothering him to review it.

"Point 2 is nonsensical tough, stats work like that, they don't change mechanics (some even actualy do, like luck and cooldown) they just make you stronger, thats how stats work. And there are a lot of depth to the whole thing here, you have talismans with different use powers, different rune skills, enchantments with a multitude of different passive abilitys, pommels that have a multitude of effects that affect gameplay and even armor sets that give you some extra skills that will also have a visible impact on gameplay (aside from learnable skills)."

>TGB addresses some of these things in the video (5:55, 15:55)

"About point 4, thats just not true, ppl who don't want anything to change have a problem with the new GoW, but a lot of ppl who love the series (me included) played the new GoW and loved it to bits understanding that this was a different take on the series and because it has enormous respect and love to the lore of the world and the character of Kratos. Also the gameplay is pure fun."

>What about point 4 is not true? I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.

"And adressing the comparison to TLoU again, this game ahs nothing in common to that one, aside from having a companion, and even that isn't very similar cause Atreus is fundamentaly integrated on the gameplay. I played on the "Give me God of War" difficulty and completed 100% of the game, the difficulty is super brutal and Atreus is the key to sucess, the kid can do wonders in battle, by himself and at your command, without him the gameplay looses half of its fun."

>Over the shoulder camera is another similarity, emphasis on story, puzzles that are solved in cooperation with companion. Not saying these are bad things, just that these aspects are similar between the two games.

"Also the whole underline worry that the youtuber has, that this game is bad for the industry because it has too much story, is a falacy caus ethe industry needs as many single player games as it can get since companies nowadays only want to do some multiplayer arena of whatever with no story where you repeatedly do the same thing over and over again and gets addicted."

>The previous God of Wars were single-player games too! That's sort of besides the point however, TGB's concern is this new God of War's success could influence other hack-and-slash games to start incorporating these TLoU conventions, conventions he's not a fan of.

DaveTheMinion13 said:
Outside having a kid this game is nothing like Last of Us. People really need to stop....puzzles, gameplay, game world, fights, nothing like it at all.

Person who made this post hasn't even played the game to have a valid opinion. Saying it could be bad for the industry is one of the dumbest things ive read.

I'd consider it bad for the industry if it started to influence other hack-and-slash games to start adopting things from it like over-the-shoulder camera view and less emphasis on hack-and-slash and more emphasis on narrative.

GribbleGrunger said:

That's exactly what he did. 

What flaws were made up?

GOWTLOZ said:
GamingBritShow is a Devil May Cry fanboy who always hated on the old God of War games for being different kind of hack and slash and popular than DMC. This makes his complaints about this game being different than older GOW games funnier. He criticises the game for doing what Naughty Dog games do while he praises Naughty Dog games.

He is so full of shit. Always been a God of War hater and has an echo chamber of followers chanting what he says while they haven't played the game. He is justifying his rant on E3 2016 reveal in the face of gamers and critics saying otherwise. Funny that all haters are the people who didn't play the game.

"always hated on the old God of War games for being different kind of hack and slash"

>Example of this?

"He criticises the game for doing what Naughty Dog games do while he praises Naughty Dog games."

>Perhaps he expects his hack-and-slash games to remain hack-and-slash games and ND games to be ND games?

deskpro2k3 said:
I hear this guy likes the Metal Gear series and Asura's Wrath, both known for long cutscenes. So what will they complain about next? The grass quality?

Has TGB ever complained about long cutscenes?

 

FYI, here's the rant video he uploaded in 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY6vIDCK7iQ

Is making cinematic games an intellectual property of Naughty Dog? Its dumb to say cinematic is fine in 1 game and not the other, because reasons.

As for the God of War hatred, you can see it in his God of War 4 rant. He doesn't know shit about the games, just whizzed past the older games on the easiest difficulty and didn't pay attention to the variety on offer as he does with Japanese hack and slash games. He is a douchebag.



deskpro2k3 said:
KLAMarine said:

>Perhaps he expects his hack-and-slash games to remain hack-and-slash games and ND games to be ND games?

Has TGB ever complained about long cutscenes?

FYI, here's the rant video he uploaded in 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY6vIDCK7iQ

 

OK first of all. Who is he to say what a ND game should be like and a hack & slash game should be like?

A guy who buys and plays games and is also entitled to his own opinion?

deskpro2k3 said:

Ever heard of Way of the Warrior, from ND.

No but of what relevance is this game?

deskpro2k3 said:

Going by your OP, yes he complained about GOW cutscenes, but as I said above I've heard he likes MGS.

I believe he does like MGS but is it impossible to like a game or franchise but still have complaints about it?

GOWTLOZ said:
KLAMarine said:

"Youre basicaly criticising the game for being exactly what it set out to be, its like watching a comedy and then saying it sucks cause its a comedy not an horror movie. Youd have a point if the game had been advertised as more of the same and then you got it and it was completly different, when in fact they said from the get go, this is very very different from the old games, anyone who plays it expecting the old games will obviously be disapointed."

>TheGamingBrit didn't originally intend to play this game since he didn't like what he was seeing in previews. He did this video after so many were bothering him to review it.

"Point 2 is nonsensical tough, stats work like that, they don't change mechanics (some even actualy do, like luck and cooldown) they just make you stronger, thats how stats work. And there are a lot of depth to the whole thing here, you have talismans with different use powers, different rune skills, enchantments with a multitude of different passive abilitys, pommels that have a multitude of effects that affect gameplay and even armor sets that give you some extra skills that will also have a visible impact on gameplay (aside from learnable skills)."

>TGB addresses some of these things in the video (5:55, 15:55)

"About point 4, thats just not true, ppl who don't want anything to change have a problem with the new GoW, but a lot of ppl who love the series (me included) played the new GoW and loved it to bits understanding that this was a different take on the series and because it has enormous respect and love to the lore of the world and the character of Kratos. Also the gameplay is pure fun."

>What about point 4 is not true? I'm not sure I'm following your logic here.

"And adressing the comparison to TLoU again, this game ahs nothing in common to that one, aside from having a companion, and even that isn't very similar cause Atreus is fundamentaly integrated on the gameplay. I played on the "Give me God of War" difficulty and completed 100% of the game, the difficulty is super brutal and Atreus is the key to sucess, the kid can do wonders in battle, by himself and at your command, without him the gameplay looses half of its fun."

>Over the shoulder camera is another similarity, emphasis on story, puzzles that are solved in cooperation with companion. Not saying these are bad things, just that these aspects are similar between the two games.

"Also the whole underline worry that the youtuber has, that this game is bad for the industry because it has too much story, is a falacy caus ethe industry needs as many single player games as it can get since companies nowadays only want to do some multiplayer arena of whatever with no story where you repeatedly do the same thing over and over again and gets addicted."

>The previous God of Wars were single-player games too! That's sort of besides the point however, TGB's concern is this new God of War's success could influence other hack-and-slash games to start incorporating these TLoU conventions, conventions he's not a fan of.

I'd consider it bad for the industry if it started to influence other hack-and-slash games to start adopting things from it like over-the-shoulder camera view and less emphasis on hack-and-slash and more emphasis on narrative.

What flaws were made up?

"always hated on the old God of War games for being different kind of hack and slash"

>Example of this?

"He criticises the game for doing what Naughty Dog games do while he praises Naughty Dog games."

>Perhaps he expects his hack-and-slash games to remain hack-and-slash games and ND games to be ND games?

Has TGB ever complained about long cutscenes?

 

FYI, here's the rant video he uploaded in 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY6vIDCK7iQ

Is making cinematic games an intellectual property of Naughty Dog?

No. What are you getting at?

GOWTLOZ said:

Its dumb to say cinematic is fine in 1 game and not the other, because reasons.

Who's saying this?

GOWTLOZ said:

As for the God of War hatred, you can see it in his God of War 4 rant. He doesn't know shit about the games

What do you feel he got wrong about the God of War games?

GOWTLOZ said:

just whizzed past the older games on the easiest difficulty and didn't pay attention to the variety on offer as he does with Japanese hack and slash games.

You saying this is how he played the GoW games? How do you know this?

GOWTLOZ said:

He is a douchebag.

Uncalled for.