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Will you vote for Trump in 2020?

No 82 70.69%
 
Yes 34 29.31%
 
Total:116
Johnw1104 said:
Wyrdness said:

Too much Rambo does that to people.

Russia has absolutely no hope of sustaining a prolonged war as with each passing year they grow weaker. Their economy is in shambles (seriously, a drop from $2.2 trillion in 2013 to around $1.5 trillion today GDP), their diplomatic position is weaker than its ever been, and their reputation across the globe is in the gutter. The one thing they had going for them were their relations with China, but those have been chilling for ages now and there's absolutely zero chance China would actually engage the US in a war on Russia's behalf, both because their military is no where near prepared for such things and because the US is essential to their continued growth.

Right now their best hope would be to deliver a kind of non-nuclear knock out punch early (unlikely) or keep the war localized in the form of a "proxy war" (a bit more likely), as they would have zero hope against a US/NATO coalition in the long term. They have an exceedingly strong military and navy, but those matter little when after a few months you can't afford to keep them in the field, and much of your territory across an enormous expanse is kept in check via expensive occupations (Crimea, Chechnya etc). Russia's erratic, reckless behavior as of late are signs of desperation, not strength.

What would almost certainly happen is Russia would be chased out of its positions abroad and peace talks would begin once they were largely contained to Russia proper, as at that point there'd be no benefit to anyone if the war went any further. People certainly aren't interested in invading Russia, fighting those large armies, or pushing them to a desperation point that they might actually contemplate using nuclear weapons (wouldn't put it past Putin), and Russia's economy is already on the brink without a full scale war as it is. 

There's only two real reasons Russia has been so adamant in their defense of Assad: Assad leases them their only year-round warm water naval port in the Mediterranean and is the only nation in an important region of the world that they share close ties with (the warm water naval port is also the primary reason Putin wanted Crimea, as it has one that is available for use for most of the year in the Black Sea). If war broke out and the US/NATO forces immediately destroyed Tartus (the leased naval port), and you can be assured they would do that virtually day 1, and thereafter they actively fired upon the Assad regime, most of the motive for the war would vanish in an instant. For that reason I can't really see it ever venturing much beyond a short proxy war, though no doubt there'd be all kinds of threats and bluffs thrown both ways.

The only country that would actively benefit from a full scale war, after all, would be a neutral China sitting back and watching. All countries involved know total war is not in their best interest, which is why we've been fighting proxy wars for decades now.

The western world is built on the dollar economy which is why they normally use sanctions and such against countries to hit their economy the problem here is Russia not only have their own resources they're also well develop and are very technically advanced which is why when they were hit by sanctions before they still carried on like normal as they don't need really need to import anything which makes a war with them disastrous and many western countries are not in the same position, not only that many countries are starting to lean towards moving away from dollar trade, economy is one thing but actual practical situation is another. When we hear reports of their position blah blah it becomes the same ol as we've been hearing that for decades now.

The allied forces are the ones not prepared to deal with Russia because anytime an opponent who has been able to strike at them directly pops up we've been taken to the cleaners near enough and guess who ends up tearing up the opponent to shreds? Russia, a load of groups have gone there to fight them and a load of them have been put in the ground, fact is they have an huge effective Arsenal and a location that is hard to engage, if Russia were as weak as some of you are claiming believe me our governments would have taken direct action when Ukraine was invaded but they know its a hard fight so have to just bark hard to make it look like we can deal with them.

 



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Puppyroach said:
Trump is a moron and a racist and anyone who votes for him is a terrible person, but there is no WW3 coming. There is something very fishy with this whole situation that I can't put my finger on, but there is definitely no WW3 on the horizon.

Also, it's the agenda of both Republicans and democrats to wage war since the 80's, the left is opposed to any war and would like to dismantle most of the military overseas.

LOL! Saying people are terrible for voting for Trump nonsense. There is a lot of waste, corruption, and bad policies with the democratic party. That puts people in situation where they may have more common ground with Trump. The last election was more about policy, not who is a good person.

We all want shithole countries to have their military dismantled.



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melbye said:
A politicians makes promises he can't keep, shocking. Let's just wait and see what happens from here.

He won because he wasn't a politician unlike the Clintons, Trump voters might as well have voted for Hillary because the conflict with Russia had only been delayed yesterday's news must have been eargasm to her.

d21lewis said:
I'm at work and unable to watch the news but my wife is keeping me updated. She says the United States has violated international law and that Putin is demanding an emergency UN meeting.

Regardless of who we voted for and who we want to blame, we can all admit that the United States has done some things to antagonize other countries, over the last year.

-Recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
-Stained our trade relations with China
-Insulted Mexico and other countries (calling them "shit holes")
-Launched missiles in Syria twice, at the behest of Russia.
-Constantly threatened North Korea

These are scary times. I live in America and it's a bubble. I wonder how other countries see us now. I just don't know.

Trump is another puppet like Obama.

DaaaBeast said:
Trumpstyle said:

 

 

You forgot to photoshop a tin foil hat on Geralt.

Also people not to stop worrying about a "conflict" between Russia and Usa, if there ever will be one Russia dies in 2 seconds. People need to learn Russia is a weak country now where theirs GDP is lower than Italy's.

Are you retarded or what? Russians have 1 200 000 army and something like 70 000 tanks, not to mention nuclear weapon, how do you imagine ending them in 2 seconds? Who will go to Russia and kill them all? You kid? Lol

Tell me about it not only that but China is likely to aid Russia rather than the US.

LiquorandGunFun said:
Besides the vague poll, not even stating if they would vote for Trump to begin with as this has mostly anti-trumpers anyways means nothing.

Trump isnt starting shit, its the saber rattling pootin. And this is much better than a red line from Obummer.

The rest of the world does not agree with you and will only grow to hate USA even more.

Nem said:
Tell me that OP is sarcasm.

Because it made zero sense.

It's no joke. Trump is a terrorist supporting puppet of Israel and Saudi Arabia who are out to destroy secular Islamic countries which in no way benefits American citizens only damages interational relations and a possible war.



Snoorlax said:

You need to stop drinking CNN koolaid

I don't even watch CNN ... (you must be really confused) 

Snoorlax said: 

Well if Trump can push around Russia then Turkey can push around Russia and if Turkey can then anyone can. Russians and Syrians have lost thousands of men fighting off ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Saudi Arabian invasion and this is how Trump shows his respects? Russia has every right to retaliate after this even if they end up losing hard they didn't ask for conflict.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't in Trump's situation ... (people either want him to draw a hardline against Russia or stop America being the world police) 

If people just accepted the most likely scenario that Trump doesn't give a damn about what Russia does for the most part then we'd be able to have both our cake and eat it too ... (but Americans and it's allies are all too keen on having a proxy war against Russia) 

Every sovereign nation has the right to do whatever since their the only truly independent entities but that doesn't they won't face the consequences for it ... 

DaaaBeast said:

Are you retarded or what? Russians have 1 200 000 army and something like 70 000 tanks, not to mention nuclear weapon, how do you imagine ending them in 2 seconds? Who will go to Russia and kill them all? You kid? Lol

Do most of those supposed tanks even work today and if so are they even effective for modern combat ? 



Calm your tits, the war in Syria was over when Trump ended the funding for moderate rebels - we are just witnessing some aftermath.



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Faust said:
Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. 1.-It seems like he was a leftist all along. 2.- apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. 3.-USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. 4.-I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

1.-what?

2.-whaaaat???

3.-whaaaaaaaat????????

4.-X_X

Haven't you heard? All conflict between Sunni nationalists and Shia republicans is all about President Trump and opPressiondent Obama's feud.
Also, you are denying that those Soviet Russians are commynists?!?!?! What in Holy Trump's dag nibbit do ya think ussr stands for?! I mean, I aint know, but I reckon ussr is Russian for commynist empire.



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Johnw1104 said:
Wyrdness said:

Too much Rambo does that to people.

Russia has absolutely no hope of sustaining a prolonged war as with each passing year they grow weaker. Their economy is in shambles (seriously, a drop from $2.2 trillion in 2013 to around $1.5 trillion today GDP), their diplomatic position is weaker than its ever been, and their reputation across the globe is in the gutter. The one thing they had going for them were their relations with China, but those have been chilling for ages now and there's absolutely zero chance China would actually engage the US in a war on Russia's behalf, both because their military is no where near prepared for such things and because the US is essential to their continued growth.

Right now their best hope would be to deliver a kind of non-nuclear knock out punch early (unlikely) or keep the war localized in the form of a "proxy war" (a bit more likely), as they would have zero hope against a US/NATO coalition in the long term. They have an exceedingly strong military and navy, but those matter little when after a few months you can't afford to keep them in the field, and much of your territory across an enormous expanse is kept in check via expensive occupations (Crimea, Chechnya etc). Russia's erratic, reckless behavior as of late are signs of desperation, not strength.

What would almost certainly happen is Russia would be chased out of its positions abroad and peace talks would begin once they were largely contained to Russia proper, as at that point there'd be no benefit to anyone if the war went any further. People certainly aren't interested in invading Russia, fighting those large armies, or pushing them to a desperation point that they might actually contemplate using nuclear weapons (wouldn't put it past Putin), and Russia's economy is already on the brink without a full scale war as it is. 

There's only two real reasons Russia has been so adamant in their defense of Assad: Assad leases them their only year-round warm water naval port in the Mediterranean and is the only nation in an important region of the world that they share close ties with (the warm water naval port is also the primary reason Putin wanted Crimea, as it has one that is available for use for most of the year in the Black Sea). If war broke out and the US/NATO forces immediately destroyed Tartus (the leased naval port), and you can be assured they would do that virtually day 1, and thereafter they actively fired upon the Assad regime, most of the motive for the war would vanish in an instant. For that reason I can't really see it ever venturing much beyond a short proxy war, though no doubt there'd be all kinds of threats and bluffs thrown both ways.

The only country that would actively benefit from a full scale war, after all, would be a neutral China sitting back and watching. All countries involved know total war is not in their best interest, which is why we've been fighting proxy wars for decades now.

You are really the special kind of stupid, arent you?. All this nonsense you flame here is but your wishfull thinking. I'll ask yoy one more time - who will be those brave men who will go and kill Russians in fucking Russia? French or maybe German? Id like to remind you that they all tried allready, and failed hard at that. Full scale war means millions will be dying from both sides, can you morons sustain that? You cant do shit bout Afganistan for a decade...

 

 

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Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. It seems like he was a leftist all along. apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

Trump has very little in common with the Left.
And considering he was elected mostly on right-wing electors/votes... It's the right that are at fault for this current climate.

You can't just claim everyone is "Left Win" simply because you don't agree with them, that is nonsensical.

The rest of your assertions are baseless, unfounded, hypothetical, conspiracy theories without any evidence.

Johnw1104 said:

Tin foil hats are popular across the political spectrum.


Good time to invest in a tin foiled hat factor though. ;)

Snoorlax said:

Trump is another puppet like Obama.


Evidence?

Snoorlax said:

The rest of the world does not agree with you and will only grow to hate USA even more.


Well. When you elect presidents like Trump... Of course the world (my country included) will take the USA less seriously.
That's your own fault, but it has been amusing watching him, so free entertainment and all that.

But "hate the USA" is strong language, the world is simply turning towards China as an example instead of the USA.

Snoorlax said:

It's no joke. Trump is a terrorist supporting puppet of Israel and Saudi Arabia who are out to destroy secular Islamic countries which in no way benefits American citizens only damages interational relations and a possible war.

No.



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Puppyroach said:
Trump is a moron and a racist.

This pretty much in a nutshell 



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Aeolus451 said:

I really wish that some people would stop with this "you're a terrible person because you voted for x person".

Yeah, I know it sounds strange to think that a person is a terrible individual if he/she supportd an openly racist, misogynist power hungry man with fascist tendencies. Very strange indeed. 

That's just you projecting what you think over reality. 

VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:
That's your opinion. He only allowed strikes on targets related to chemical weapons and didn't attack any russians. I never voted for him so the US would become a hermit nation. I voted for him on several issues. Most nations consider the usage of chemical weapons to be a red line. The US has to remain a global player.

That goes against you saying how you're for small government, and how the left equals more government while the right equals less government. In order to remain a global player and have a large presence worldwide it requires a huge budget, manpower and bureaucracy in order to maintain. Surely I'd assume someone who is against big government would be opposing this.

I never said that and I think that you misunderstand what the right means when they want smaller government. I want a smaller government in terms of limiting the authority and power of the government over it's people. I want to preserve the liberty of people as much as possible. Most of the right would agree with that and this is what they mean by smaller government.

I didn't mean be a global player as in be a part of international community like the EU. They're off their rockers. I meant it as in playing chess on a international level where we're allies with other friendly countries but not partners on equal grounds. We lead the way and stir the world towards a future we want for the world and one that suits us and our allies best. It would also work out really well for most countries. You can't do that by being a hermit country.  I don't care for these proxy wars or trying to set up puppet-like governments. We also don't have to counter whatever Russia or China does on reflex.