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Puppyroach said:
Mr Puggsly said:

LOL! Saying people are terrible for voting for Trump nonsense. There is a lot of waste, corruption, and bad policies with the democratic party. That puts people in situation where they may have more common ground with Trump. The last election was more about policy, not who is a good person.

We all want shithole countries to have their military dismantled.

That's bull, it was never about policy, since Trump changed his policy positions all the time, even during interviews where he could obviously switch between two opinion within minutes. Clinton also was quite flexible in switching opinions during the election, so it was never about policy. 

Also, it's different if a person would vote for a politician that we don't know whether or not that candidate is a racist, misogynistic bigot or not. But if you know, and still vote for him, yes it makes you a terrible person. And we all know what those terrible people have given the world now in the form of Trump. And it's not a matter of them choosing Clinton instead, since there are more alternatives in the election. 

No, it was very much about policy even if there was flip flopping on SOME issues.

His primary policies were getting tougher on immigration, tax cuts, dismantling Obamacare, trade, and reducing the size of our government. The policies of a Hillary administration would be the opposite on some of this.

In the end it was left wing vs right wing policies, which is pretty singificant. Even if Trump is racist, miisogynost, and every other word that ends with "ist," ts not really reflected in the policies. Unless you feel dealing with immigration is inherently racist because its primarily colored people.

Its quite simple actually, not sure why this needs explaining.

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VGPolyglot said:

Communism is on the left side, fascism isn't though.

The word fascism confuses me because by definition we've seen it most practiced in sociailist/communist government.

There's no such thing as a Communist government; it's anarchal.
While the party which ran the USSR was called the Communist party, they were socialists rather than communists. The USSR was a socialist republic.

Here's the difference between the three:

Communism has no class distinction.
Socialism aims to eliminate class disctinction.
Fascism aims to regulate class disctinctions.

Communism has no government - it's anarchal
Socialism can have any type of government
Fascism has an autocratic government

Communism has no capital.
Socialism distributes capital to the people and businesses of the people.
Fascism distributes capital to corporate partners where required.

Communism has no private land.
Socialism can have public and private land.
Fascism has no public land.

Communism has no competition because there's no private business
Socialism - uses a variety of unfixed mechanisms to deal with business competition.
Fascism regulates competition of private business; it's basically illegal.

Communism aims for complete equal ownership of the means of production across all people.
Socialism aims for equality of incomes across all people.
Fascism aims for a merit-based income. If you're strong and productive, you prosper; If you're weak and unproductive, you're eliminated.
Nazism, a form of fascism, counted Marxists, gays, Jews, Slavs, blacks, and sympathizers of any of those groups as weak by their definition.

 

The term Nazism confuses some people not educated on the era or German history. The socialist part throws them off. To put it easiest, Hitler's socialism and Marxist influenced socialism are two different things; the word that most people understand to fit Hitler's style of socialism is "fascism" - which is what I will call it from here on out. Fascism is neither socialism nor capitalism - it strongly opposes the idea of your wealthy billionaire CEOs and stock owners in capitalism and it equally opposes the idea of equality and class elimination. Fascism is concerned with the strengthening of the state by any means necessary. A good book which illustrates a more benevolent fascist society is Brave New World and its world state.

Nazism differs a little from standard fascism in that it takes on an extremist racial superiority element as well; the idea is that the fittest race in the world is the Aryan master-race; and so that was who got all the benefits while Slavs, Jews, Blacks, and many other minorities got concentration camps and gas chambers. This is something that is philosophically the opposite of anything in communism or socialism (by our current Western understanding of the term, and the Soviet Socialist understanding of the term back in the era of the USSR).



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o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

The government did not have control over businesses in the Third Reich.  I'm guessing you have NAZI Germany confused with the Soviet Union.  Again you need to brush up on your history and politics.  Also if you can't realize that abolishing all trade unions is a very pro business capitalistic policy then you also need to brush up on economics.  On top of that the NAZI's also implemented a wage freeze once they gained power which is another pro business and very capitalistic policy.  The only one that is constantly proven to be wrong is you my friend.  The NAZI's gained power with the financial aid of powerful industrialist.  Plus they need financial support of those industrialist long before they gained power since they had a powerful para military force that wasn't exactly cheap to maintain.

"The government did not have control over businesses in the Third Reich"

 

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007655

"

ESTABLISHING CONTROL OF THE PRESS 
 
When Adolf Hitler took power in 1933, the Nazis controlled less than three percent of Germany’s 4,700 papers.

The elimination of the German multi-party political system not only brought about the demise of hundreds of newspapers produced by outlawed political parties; it also allowed the state to seize the printing plants and equipment of the Communist and Social Democratic Parties, which were often turned over directly to the Nazi Party. In the following months, the Nazis established control or exerted influence over independent press organs."

"Through measures to “Aryanize” businesses, the regime also assumed control of Jewish-owned publishing companies, notably Ullstein and Mosse."

for one thing jews were not allowed to own businesses because of government suppression

https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism

"German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic  calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”"

the government controlled the economy in order to provide various social programs...

The RAD's work included:

  • planting forests
  • digging ditches on farms.

June 1933 - The Unemployment Relief Act

  • Build a network of motorways (Autobahn)
  • Build hospital

The treatment of young people

Controlling education

Up until 1933, the provincial governments were responsible for the majority of schools. When the Nazis came to power, Berlin's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust, became responsible for education in Germany. Every pupil had to stay in school until he or she was 14 years old, then it was optional. 

 

Nationalized Healthcare

Also from the WW2 Surivor’s accounting of Nazism:

After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

Gun Control

Yes, Germany had gun control. It started before Hitler with a national gun registry:

…in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

 

 

"Also if you can't realize that abolishing all trade unions is a very pro business capitalistic policy then you also need to brush up on economics. "

 

and supporting capitalism is the only agenda abolishing trade unions can can be used for?

i'd think they'd be a good tool for control in a dictatorship regardless... but that's just my common sense working i suppose

then again if you don't even understand the control component of socialism that wouldn't occur to you

 

"On top of that the NAZI's also implemented a wage freeze once they gained power which is another pro business and very capitalistic policy."

 

lmao governments implement wage freezes all the time... governments are capitalist in your view? are you being serious right now lol

 

"The NAZI's gained power with the financial aid of powerful industrialist."

 

true and so what? what relevance does this have to whether when in place they actually were socialist?

 

Ah, I see you're still trying to insist on Hitler being a socialist, when that was not true. Also, that "we are socialists" quote? It was not even said by Hitler:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-nazis-capitalist-system/

 

Also, Nazi Germany privatized key industries too:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

Also, the unemployment number has some extreme caveats: women, Jews and men aged between 18 and 25 were not included in the statistics:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/tch_wjec/germany19291947/2economicsocialpolicy1.shtml



Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

"Germany during the third Reich was very capitalistic"

look dude hitler controlled the economy in germany... do you understand what that means?

 

"Germany's war machine was build by big corporations"

that were controlled by the government

 

"On top of that the Nazi's where very much pro capitalism"

how could that be the case when they controlled the means of production in germany?

 

"anti workers rights since once they gained power all unions where abolished."

the fallacy here being of course the assumption that a socialist regime never infringes on the rights of the people... and yet they do constantly

Boy are you clueless about history the NAZI's where fascists not socialists.  Get back at me when you pass history and politics 101. 

Fascism is not exclusive to the right by any means. If anything the left is more prone to authoritarianism. Nazism come from a self-described socialist party.



Aeolus451 said:
Chris Hu said:

Boy are you clueless about history the NAZI's where fascists not socialists.  Get back at me when you pass history and politics 101. 

Fascism is not exclusive to the right by any means. If anything the left is more prone to authoritarianism. Nazism come from a self-described socialist party.

The reason why they called themselves socialist was to gain support from the working class, as socialist/communist movements were gaining popularity and thus they wanted to siphon votes from them:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/how-the-nazis-succeeded-in-taking-power-in-red-berlin-a-866793-2.html

 

I posted links of their policies in my response to o_O.Q, namely privatization. They should be judged based on their actual policies, not their rhetoric. Unless of course you want to consider North Korea democratic because they have Democratic in their official name.



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Hitler calling himself a "socialist" is a historical semantical difference.
The proper translation for Hitler's socialism would be fascism.


- or maybe racial-extremist fascism (since nationalist seems almost too dull a term for the reality of Nazism). But Hitler heavily opposed both socialism and capitalism.

Capitalism aims to be a merit-based income system, but the reality is it's a risk investment based income system.
Fascism IS a merit-based income system, although the truth of these merits is questionable (with Nazis, they included racial and cultural factors).

Both capitalism and fascism have a profit motive.

To try and illustrate it: capitalism is on the right, socialism on the left... Fascism isn't on this axis, it's somewhere up or down from the center point.

It would be more accurate to say that the goals of fascism - of a merit-based paradise - are more in line with the goals of capitalism than they are with communism or socialism. But it is incorrect to say either is equal to the other.



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Jumpin said:
Hitler calling himself a "socialist" is a historical semantical difference.
The proper translation for Hitler's socialism would be fascism.


- or maybe racial-extremist fascism (since nationalist seems almost too dull a term for the reality of Nazism). But Hitler heavily opposed both socialism and capitalism.

Capitalism aims to be a merit-based income system, but the reality is it's a risk investment based income system.
Fascism IS a merit-based income system, although the truth of these merits is questionable (with Nazis, they included racial and cultural factors).

Both capitalism and fascism have a profit motive.

To try and illustrate it: capitalism is on the right, socialism on the left... Fascism isn't on this axis, it's somewhere up or down from the center point.

It would be more accurate to say that the goals of fascism - of a merit-based paradise - are more in line with the goals of capitalism than they are with communism or socialism. But it is incorrect to say either is equal to the other.

I feel like youre playing word gymnastics because you dont want the word socialism assosiated with Hitler.

Frankly, it seems like all governments, especially in prosperous countries, practice various of the styles of government. Essentially, the best countries are practicing right wing and left wing ideas. But the countries that pracrtice left wing politics like socialism/communism, find themselves with what appears to be a fascist leader by definition.

But even with a word like nationalist become a bad word because of Hitler. Essentially many political philosophies become sullied because there is some link to the Nazi party. When the reality is governments tend be an amalgamation of different ideas, not just a single philosophy.



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VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

Fascism is not exclusive to the right by any means. If anything the left is more prone to authoritarianism. Nazism come from a self-described socialist party.

The reason why they called themselves socialist was to gain support from the working class, as socialist/communist movements were gaining popularity and thus they wanted to siphon votes from them:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/how-the-nazis-succeeded-in-taking-power-in-red-berlin-a-866793-2.html

 

I posted links of their policies in my response to o_O.Q, namely privatization. They should be judged based on their actual policies, not their rhetoric. Unless of course you want to consider North Korea democratic because they have Democratic in their official name.

I'm gonna go by what he said he was versus a group of people who try to rewrite the definitions of commonly recognized words like racist. He implemented socialist policies. If you guys want to say that alot of the EU is socialist when the EU says they are not when they have capitalist economies then you guys say that Hitler wasn't a socialist when he was in a socialist party for many years, it makes me question the definitions of certain words and not trust anything that is said.



Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

The reason why they called themselves socialist was to gain support from the working class, as socialist/communist movements were gaining popularity and thus they wanted to siphon votes from them:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/how-the-nazis-succeeded-in-taking-power-in-red-berlin-a-866793-2.html

 

I posted links of their policies in my response to o_O.Q, namely privatization. They should be judged based on their actual policies, not their rhetoric. Unless of course you want to consider North Korea democratic because they have Democratic in their official name.

I'm gonna go by what he said he was versus a group of people who try to rewrite the definitions of commonly recognized words like racist. He implemented socialist policies. If you guys want to say that alot of the EU is socialist when the EU says they are not when they have capitalist economies then you guys say that Hitler wasn't a socialist when he was in a socialist party for many years, it makes me question the definitions of certain words and not trust anything that is said.

The EU isn't socialist, none of the countries in the EU are socialist, so that's not a problem really. So I'm not sure what you mean by "you guys", you're claiming an inconsistency when there isn't one.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

"The government did not have control over businesses in the Third Reich"

 

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007655

"

ESTABLISHING CONTROL OF THE PRESS 
 
When Adolf Hitler took power in 1933, the Nazis controlled less than three percent of Germany’s 4,700 papers.

The elimination of the German multi-party political system not only brought about the demise of hundreds of newspapers produced by outlawed political parties; it also allowed the state to seize the printing plants and equipment of the Communist and Social Democratic Parties, which were often turned over directly to the Nazi Party. In the following months, the Nazis established control or exerted influence over independent press organs."

"Through measures to “Aryanize” businesses, the regime also assumed control of Jewish-owned publishing companies, notably Ullstein and Mosse."

for one thing jews were not allowed to own businesses because of government suppression

https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism

"German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic  calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”"

the government controlled the economy in order to provide various social programs...

The RAD's work included:

  • planting forests
  • digging ditches on farms.

June 1933 - The Unemployment Relief Act

  • Build a network of motorways (Autobahn)
  • Build hospital

The treatment of young people

Controlling education

Up until 1933, the provincial governments were responsible for the majority of schools. When the Nazis came to power, Berlin's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust, became responsible for education in Germany. Every pupil had to stay in school until he or she was 14 years old, then it was optional. 

 

Nationalized Healthcare

Also from the WW2 Surivor’s accounting of Nazism:

After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

Gun Control

Yes, Germany had gun control. It started before Hitler with a national gun registry:

…in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

 

 

"Also if you can't realize that abolishing all trade unions is a very pro business capitalistic policy then you also need to brush up on economics. "

 

and supporting capitalism is the only agenda abolishing trade unions can can be used for?

i'd think they'd be a good tool for control in a dictatorship regardless... but that's just my common sense working i suppose

then again if you don't even understand the control component of socialism that wouldn't occur to you

 

"On top of that the NAZI's also implemented a wage freeze once they gained power which is another pro business and very capitalistic policy."

 

lmao governments implement wage freezes all the time... governments are capitalist in your view? are you being serious right now lol

 

"The NAZI's gained power with the financial aid of powerful industrialist."

 

true and so what? what relevance does this have to whether when in place they actually were socialist?

 

Ah, I see you're still trying to insist on Hitler being a socialist, when that was not true. Also, that "we are socialists" quote? It was not even said by Hitler:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-nazis-capitalist-system/

 

Also, Nazi Germany privatized key industries too:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

Also, the unemployment number has some extreme caveats: women, Jews and men aged between 18 and 25 were not included in the statistics:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/tch_wjec/germany19291947/2economicsocialpolicy1.shtml

"Also, that "we are socialists" quote? It was not even said by Hitler:"

wait hang on... are we now at the stage where we are denying that his party was the national socialist workers party?

have we really reached that depth of denial? lol

 

"Also, Nazi Germany privatized key industries too:"

which they controlled so what?

 

"Also, the unemployment number has some extreme caveats: women, Jews and men aged between 18 and 25 were not included in the statistics:"

the men 18 -25 were conscripted into the military

jews were unemployed for obvious reasons

and finally with regards to women yes initially women were encouraged to have families over taking jobs but this changed eventually

"The Nazis drive for women to be domesticated soon faded and shifted. As World War II started and began to escalate  more and more men left their homes and jobs. Facing job shortages the Nazis began to encourage women to fill the gap left by men. Young, especially single women, were eager to fill factory jobs even when faced with such blatant contradictions in policy. The Nazis were simultaneously promoting the idea of mother hood, and the ideal German woman whilst encouraging the filling of jobs to support the war effort. Because of this the Nazis were unable to bring an adequate number of female workers back into the labor force. Only about 30% of women returned to employment during the war."

the fact remains, however, that overall the policies of the nazis were socialist in nature and implementation

they are the same policies - state funded educatation, socialised health care, government control of businesses etc etc etc that are being pushed by the socialists of today