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Will you vote for Trump in 2020?

No 82 70.69%
 
Yes 34 29.31%
 
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o_O.Q on 15 April 2018
VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

"As for your questions, renting out yourself would make it considered private it property yes"

ok therefore people would not be able to use their possessions for profit

what about if a woman decides to sell her body(which arguably would be far more in demand than a man's body) for profit? would you regulate that as well?

 

" but not the fruits if you do all of the work on your own and then sell it wouldn't count since you're only profiting off of your own labour."

so how would you preserve equality? do you understand that people work at different rates of speed?

 

" I agree that some form of government is needed to enforce it, but the state isn't the only form of government."

ok how would your government be organised? and how would it operate without a hierarchy exsiting between it and the people?

 

"yet how would capitalism exist without it? There'd be nobody to create or enforce property laws. "

property laws are needed for people to protect their property?

do you understand why people possess guns?

 

"Also, it's irrelevant too whether or not you think socialism is possible"

to clarify the socialism you have described is full of gaping massive holes but i do acknowledge that there are others who are trying to put practical policies in place such as socialised healthcare

 

"but that doesn't just meant that anything can be called socialist."

which is not what i said... taking resources from the richer people of society and distributing those resources across the society is the goal behind policies like socialised healthcare and state funded education

that's socialism and it to some extent is the motivating influence behind the ideas you have put forward also

and wow i'm a capitalist now?

OK, if you're not a capitalist what are you?

i am a taurus but that's irrelevant to the points i've made



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VGPolyglot on 15 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

OK, if you're not a capitalist what are you?

i am a taurus but that's irrelevant to the points i've made

OK, so no point in continuing this discussion if you're just going to be deliberately hidden in regards to your own views, I have my suspicions for why but I guess I'll just have to leave it at that.



o_O.Q on 15 April 2018
VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

i am a taurus but that's irrelevant to the points i've made

OK, so no point in continuing this discussion if you're just going to be deliberately hidden in regards to your own views, I have my suspicions for why but I guess I'll just have to leave it at that.

or you could like address the points that were made... that'd be for the best i'd think

but i'm curious though, under your system would a woman be able to be a prostitute? if anything i'm curious about that



VGPolyglot on 15 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

OK, so no point in continuing this discussion if you're just going to be deliberately hidden in regards to your own views, I have my suspicions for why but I guess I'll just have to leave it at that.

or you could like address the points that were made... that'd be for the best i'd think

but i'm curious though, under your system would a woman be able to be a prostitute? if anything i'm curious about that

Again, if you're going to be purposefully obscure, then I'm not going to answer your questions, because if you're going to play that game then I can too.



o_O.Q on 15 April 2018
VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

or you could like address the points that were made... that'd be for the best i'd think

but i'm curious though, under your system would a woman be able to be a prostitute? if anything i'm curious about that

Again, if you're going to be purposefully obscure, then I'm not going to answer your questions, because if you're going to play that game then I can too.

how does my personal belief system if i have one impact in any way on the arguments i made?



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VGPolyglot on 15 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Again, if you're going to be purposefully obscure, then I'm not going to answer your questions, because if you're going to play that game then I can too.

how does my personal belief system impact in any way on the arguments i made?

Goodbye, have fun.



Snoorlax on 15 April 2018
fatslob-:O said:
Snoorlax said:

You need to stop drinking CNN koolaid

I don't even watch CNN ... (you must be really confused) 

Snoorlax said: 

Well if Trump can push around Russia then Turkey can push around Russia and if Turkey can then anyone can. Russians and Syrians have lost thousands of men fighting off ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Saudi Arabian invasion and this is how Trump shows his respects? Russia has every right to retaliate after this even if they end up losing hard they didn't ask for conflict.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't in Trump's situation ... (people either want him to draw a hardline against Russia or stop America being the world police) 

If people just accepted the most likely scenario that Trump doesn't give a damn about what Russia does for the most part then we'd be able to have both our cake and eat it too ... (but Americans and it's allies are all too keen on having a proxy war against Russia) 

Every sovereign nation has the right to do whatever since their the only truly independent entities but that doesn't they won't face the consequences for it ... 

DaaaBeast said:

Are you retarded or what? Russians have 1 200 000 army and something like 70 000 tanks, not to mention nuclear weapon, how do you imagine ending them in 2 seconds? Who will go to Russia and kill them all? You kid? Lol

Do most of those supposed tanks even work today and if so are they even effective for modern combat ? 

I don't know if the missile attacks were illegal but they sure were criminal and against Syria and Russians. Russia was going to pull out of Syria but then this happened and now Russia will respond, how? i dont know.

Pemalite said:
Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. It seems like he was a leftist all along. apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

Trump has very little in common with the Left.
And considering he was elected mostly on right-wing electors/votes... It's the right that are at fault for this current climate.

You can't just claim everyone is "Left Win" simply because you don't agree with them, that is nonsensical.

The rest of your assertions are baseless, unfounded, hypothetical, conspiracy theories without any evidence.

Johnw1104 said:

Tin foil hats are popular across the political spectrum.


Good time to invest in a tin foiled hat factor though. ;)

Snoorlax said:

Trump is another puppet like Obama.


Evidence?

Snoorlax said:

The rest of the world does not agree with you and will only grow to hate USA even more.


Well. When you elect presidents like Trump... Of course the world (my country included) will take the USA less seriously.
That's your own fault, but it has been amusing watching him, so free entertainment and all that.

But "hate the USA" is strong language, the world is simply turning towards China as an example instead of the USA.

Snoorlax said:

It's no joke. Trump is a terrorist supporting puppet of Israel and Saudi Arabia who are out to destroy secular Islamic countries which in no way benefits American citizens only damages interational relations and a possible war.

No.

Trump was elected to solve Americas problems first and to pull out of the Middle East, Hillary and Obama wanted the opposite. They want to destabilize Middle Eastern countries like Syria in favor of Israel and Saudi Arabia taking control of their territory because they are against secular Islam (which is the whole reason ISIS managed to grow since 2011 and are still around) so they made a deal in trade of natural resources which US can sell. Trump said a few days before the attack that he would not strike on Syria then on Friday the 13th he decided to attack anyway because of chemical attacks which were staged by members of ISIS and Trump knows this but he didn't care, he was against all of this, what happened?

CrazyGamer2017 said:
Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. It seems like he was a leftist all along. apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

Well in other words he turned out to be a real politician only doing what a real politician does, no better than the presidents that came before him or the ones that will come after him. I was so worried that the swamp would be actually drained but I can now utter a sigh of relief.

But now if I may be serious for a second: There is a contradiction in what you are saying. If as you say he is really bringing about WW3, his end does not matter anymore as it will soon be the end of everybody (You do realize what actual WW3 means right?) so who cares about who's gonna be president in 2020 since there will be no 2020 on earth to begin with. Also in case of WW3 the Russians are not the good guys either, no one is the good guy when holding a finger on the red button ready to end mankind.

I don't believe WW3 is end of the world. WW2 happened and 3% of the world population (around 2 billion) died most of the casualties were in Europe, Americans, Canadians, Southeast Asians and Japanese the rest of the world managed pretty well. Todays population is almost around 8 billion. The Nukes in Japan killed over 200,000 and destroyed very important cities which is why Japan had to surrender. If WW3 turns out to be a nuclear warfare then one or the other country will surrender before it gets any worse. We just don't need innocents lives to be spend here and i'm pretty sure Trump will do just fine in 2020 and we'll still need another President.

The Russians are fighting radical Islam and for Syria to stabilize themselves even if they have second intentions behind all of this it's better than doing nothing and only causing more chaos like Trump is doing. 



Faust on 15 April 2018
VGPolyglot said:
Faust said:

If Trump survived the whole Charlottesville debacle, all the corruption scandals, the affairs, the sexual misconducts allegations, among other things, this isn't gonna change that. If anything, im willing to bet that he is going to get a lot of positive media out of this. =/

On a side note, i find incredible amusing that some people attribute communism and fascism to the left side of the political spectrum.

Communism is on the left side, fascism isn't though.

Thats my point, communism is on the left end of the political spectrum while fascism is on the right side, buuuuuuuuuuuut, since fascism is bad and we dont like it, lets just say is a left wing ideology.

 

Additionally, for those who claim that the Nazi party is socialist because it has the word socialist in it despise the fact they actually fought against the soviet union for ideological reasons.... Well...(sigh)... North Korea's official name is  the Democratic People's Republic of Korea... Have a nice day.



Faust on 15 April 2018
coolbeans said:
Faust said:

Thats my point, communism is on the left end of the political spectrum while fascism is on the right side, buuuuuuuuuuuut, since fascism is bad and we dont like it, lets just say is a left wing ideology.

 

Additionally, for those who claim that the Nazi party is socialist because it has the word socialist in it despise the fact they actually fought against the soviet union for ideological reasons.... Well...(sigh)... North Korea's official name is  the Democratic People's Republic of Korea... Have a nice day.

Sunnis vs. Shiites

Protestants vs. Catholics

Most of the bloodiest conflicts in human history have been between two factions that share fundamental beliefs so this argument is incredibly flimsy, barely any stronger than your DPRK rebuttal.  Thanks.  You too.

so, i take the Nazis were f**ing liberals i guess =/



VGPolyglot on 15 April 2018
coolbeans said:
Faust said:

so, i take the Nazis were f**ing liberals i guess =/

Oh joy...more bad-faith responses in a politics thread, and priming up to be more annoying than the Hogg gems. 

That's not at all what I said.

Well, let's get to the point then. Do you consider fascism as a leftist ideology?