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Will you vote for Trump in 2020?

No 82 70.69%
 
Yes 34 29.31%
 
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Left vs Right is two sides of a coin, two opposing arguments, two opposing views, both are required in a functioning democratic society, being on either side is neither right or wrong... Both get some things right, some things wrong.

The best place to be is actually in the center where you can weigh up the arguments presented by either the left or the right and go with the best argument that is presented for the betterment of all.

The more that people realize that instead of discarding their opponents view point for being "Right Wing" or "Left Wing" the better.
Argue the argument that is presented rather than attacking someones political alignment or delving into Ad Hominem or other logical fallacies.



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Pemalite said:
Left vs Right is two sides of a coin, two opposing arguments, two opposing views, both are required in a functioning democratic society, being on either side is neither right or wrong... Both get some things right, some things wrong.

The best place to be is actually in the center where you can weigh up the arguments presented by either the left or the right and go with the best argument that is presented for the betterment of all.

The more that people realize that instead of discarding their opponents view point for being "Right Wing" or "Left Wing" the better.
Argue the argument that is presented rather than attacking someones political alignment or delving into Ad Hominem or other logical fallacies.

I have some meme pictures of centrists that I'd like to post here, but I don't know if they'd be allowed unfortunately.



Pemalite said:
Left vs Right is two sides of a coin, two opposing arguments, two opposing views, both are required in a functioning democratic society, being on either side is neither right or wrong... Both get some things right, some things wrong.

The best place to be is actually in the center where you can weigh up the arguments presented by either the left or the right and go with the best argument that is presented for the betterment of all.

The more that people realize that instead of discarding their opponents view point for being "Right Wing" or "Left Wing" the better.
Argue the argument that is presented rather than attacking someones political alignment or delving into Ad Hominem or other logical fallacies.

 

The whole "being in the center" just means inaction which translates to just let the corporate America get away with anything as long as they bribe our politician.

 

Fun Fact: This guy is a democrat, but im pretty darn sure if i ask a so called conservative anywhere about specific issues, the would probably be to the left of this guy but still, they would associate him as a left wing politician based solely on his party. This is no about policy is about playing for a team.

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Faust said:

The whole "being in the center" just means inaction which translates to just let the corporate America get away with anything as long as they bribe our politician.

False.
We have centrist party's here who have enacted some substantial changes and continue to fight big business.

Then again, America's political landscape and alignments are substantially different from ours.
Our Liberal party for instance is considered Conservative.

Faust said:

Fun Fact: This guy is a democrat, but im pretty darn sure if i ask a so called conservative anywhere about specific issues, the would probably be to the left of this guy but still, they would associate him as a left wing politician based solely on his party. This is no about policy is about playing for a team.

Indeed. You can be right-wing in a left-wing party and vice versa.

For example... The Australian Labor Party is a left-wing political party... Yet had politicians like Mark Latham who is extremely right wing, religious, anti-homosexual, anti-immigration and so on.



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Aeolus451 said:
That's your opinion. He only allowed strikes on targets related to chemical weapons and didn't attack any russians. I never voted for him so the US would become a hermit nation. I voted for him on several issues. Most nations consider the usage of chemical weapons to be a red line. The US has to remain a global player.

You would have to be naive to not see through such an obvious false flag. Why would Assad gas his own people right after winning?



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Pemalite said:
Faust said:

The whole "being in the center" just means inaction which translates to just let the corporate America get away with anything as long as they bribe our politician.

False.
We have centrist party's here who have enacted some substantial changes and continue to fight big business.

Then again, America's political landscape and alignments are substantially different from ours.
Our Liberal party for instance is considered Conservative.

Faust said:

Fun Fact: This guy is a democrat, but im pretty darn sure if i ask a so called conservative anywhere about specific issues, the would probably be to the left of this guy but still, they would associate him as a left wing politician based solely on his party. This is no about policy is about playing for a team.

Indeed. You can be right-wing in a left-wing party and vice versa.

For example... The Australian Labor Party is a left-wing political party... Yet had politicians like Mark Latham who is extremely right wing, religious, anti-homosexual, anti-immigration and so on.

I was referring obviously to the USA's political landscape where, in case your are not aware of there are only 2 choices: a center-right party (with left views only on social issues) and a far-right party (small government on economic issues but goes big brother on social issues).

 

Of course, as the reasonable person that i think i am, i do favor the free market... when it makes sense of course, and im pretty sure even the most hardcore right wing  out there do like  the big government when it comes to education, the military, health (when explained properly), etc.

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Chris Hu said:
The Nazi's had nothing to do with the health care system during the Third Reich. The healthcare system that is currently in place in Germany goes back to the 1880's. Plus its not that socialist since its a multi-payer health care system. Most socialists, progressives and people on the left are in favor of a single payer healthcare system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany

 

"The healthcare system that is currently in place in Germany goes back to the 1880's."

and your point is? did i say that hitler implemented the system or that it was one of his policies?

does the fact that the system already existed change the fact that it was one of his socialist goal?

"In the late 1800s, the new German state under Otto von Bismarck ushered in a “welfare monarchy.” It gave German citizens universal health care coverage as well as disability insurance. It may sound like a generous, sweeping policy. But it was not all innocent or benevolent.

The German government had ulterior motives. (As the United States government does today.) Ultimately, a healthy society costs less.

The German government wanted to keep its population healthy, productive, and fit for warfare. They literally wanted their citizens “fit to fight.”

Bismarck also said, “a little socialism would prevent the development of a more virulent socialism.” Of course, Germany eventually produced the most virulent form of National Socialism the world has ever known–Nazism.

After the monarchy collapsed following WWI in 1919, the new German government implemented even more sweeping healthcare reforms. Doctors went to work for the government. And no longer for the individual patient. (Remember this, the next time you hear about the merits of Obamacare.)"

and hitler did not peel back these reforms because he was a socialist

 

"Plus its not that socialist since its a multi-payer health care system."

which was not the case in nazi germany... which is what i was referring to

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Pemalite said:
Left vs Right is two sides of a coin, two opposing arguments, two opposing views, both are required in a functioning democratic society, being on either side is neither right or wrong... Both get some things right, some things wrong.

The best place to be is actually in the center where you can weigh up the arguments presented by either the left or the right and go with the best argument that is presented for the betterment of all.

The more that people realize that instead of discarding their opponents view point for being "Right Wing" or "Left Wing" the better.
Argue the argument that is presented rather than attacking someones political alignment or delving into Ad Hominem or other logical fallacies.

i agree which is why i don't think my stance with regards to whether i'm on the right or left bears any relevance to the points i've raised

not that i even take a stance to begin with, all i'm in favor of is the truth



Faust said:
Pemalite said:
Left vs Right is two sides of a coin, two opposing arguments, two opposing views, both are required in a functioning democratic society, being on either side is neither right or wrong... Both get some things right, some things wrong.

The best place to be is actually in the center where you can weigh up the arguments presented by either the left or the right and go with the best argument that is presented for the betterment of all.

The more that people realize that instead of discarding their opponents view point for being "Right Wing" or "Left Wing" the better.
Argue the argument that is presented rather than attacking someones political alignment or delving into Ad Hominem or other logical fallacies.

 

The whole "being in the center" just means inaction which translates to just let the corporate America get away with anything as long as they bribe our politician.

 

Fun Fact: This guy is a democrat, but im pretty darn sure if i ask a so called conservative anywhere about specific issues, the would probably be to the left of this guy but still, they would associate him as a left wing politician based solely on his party. This is no about policy is about playing for a team.

 

maybe he flip flopped after planned parenthood were caught blatantly lying



Just as a side note, It´s actually very hard to know what exactly is happening in Syria right now. Media doesn´t have much access to the country as they pretend to have.

People have been posting videos recorded with mobiles on social media, showing people dying by chemical attacks,people hiding in underground caves during bombings, crying for help, among other very sensitive things. I have not seen reports like that on traditional media.

Of course, no one claim responsability for those attacks, but there´s something very very wrong about what´s happening in Syria and something must be done for those people.

I don´t think that such attack will cause a major international war. Russia does not seem to care much about people in Syria. Maybe they´re just interested in oil or whatever resources the country may provide them, regardless what Bashar Al-Assad does with its people.