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Will you vote for Trump in 2020?

No 82 70.69%
 
Yes 34 29.31%
 
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Johnw1104 said:
Wyrdness said:

Too much Rambo does that to people.

Russia has absolutely no hope of sustaining a prolonged war as with each passing year they grow weaker. Their economy is in shambles (seriously, a drop from $2.2 trillion in 2013 to around $1.5 trillion today GDP), their diplomatic position is weaker than its ever been, and their reputation across the globe is in the gutter. The one thing they had going for them were their relations with China, but those have been chilling for ages now and there's absolutely zero chance China would actually engage the US in a war on Russia's behalf, both because their military is no where near prepared for such things and because the US is essential to their continued growth.

Right now their best hope would be to deliver a kind of non-nuclear knock out punch early (unlikely) or keep the war localized in the form of a "proxy war" (a bit more likely), as they would have zero hope against a US/NATO coalition in the long term. They have an exceedingly strong military and navy, but those matter little when after a few months you can't afford to keep them in the field, and much of your territory across an enormous expanse is kept in check via expensive occupations (Crimea, Chechnya etc). Russia's erratic, reckless behavior as of late are signs of desperation, not strength.

What would almost certainly happen is Russia would be chased out of its positions abroad and peace talks would begin once they were largely contained to Russia proper, as at that point there'd be no benefit to anyone if the war went any further. People certainly aren't interested in invading Russia, fighting those large armies, or pushing them to a desperation point that they might actually contemplate using nuclear weapons (wouldn't put it past Putin), and Russia's economy is already on the brink without a full scale war as it is. 

There's only two real reasons Russia has been so adamant in their defense of Assad: Assad leases them their only year-round warm water naval port in the Mediterranean and is the only nation in an important region of the world that they share close ties with (the warm water naval port is also the primary reason Putin wanted Crimea, as it has one that is available for use for most of the year in the Black Sea). If war broke out and the US/NATO forces immediately destroyed Tartus (the leased naval port), and you can be assured they would do that virtually day 1, and thereafter they actively fired upon the Assad regime, most of the motive for the war would vanish in an instant. For that reason I can't really see it ever venturing much beyond a short proxy war, though no doubt there'd be all kinds of threats and bluffs thrown both ways.

The only country that would actively benefit from a full scale war, after all, would be a neutral China sitting back and watching. All countries involved know total war is not in their best interest, which is why we've been fighting proxy wars for decades now.

You are really the special kind of stupid, arent you?. All this nonsense you flame here is but your wishfull thinking. I'll ask yoy one more time - who will be those brave men who will go and kill Russians in fucking Russia? French or maybe German? Id like to remind you that they all tried allready, and failed hard at that. Full scale war means millions will be dying from both sides, can you morons sustain that? You cant do shit bout Afganistan for a decade...

 

 

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Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. It seems like he was a leftist all along. apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

Trump has very little in common with the Left.
And considering he was elected mostly on right-wing electors/votes... It's the right that are at fault for this current climate.

You can't just claim everyone is "Left Win" simply because you don't agree with them, that is nonsensical.

The rest of your assertions are baseless, unfounded, hypothetical, conspiracy theories without any evidence.

Johnw1104 said:

Tin foil hats are popular across the political spectrum.


Good time to invest in a tin foiled hat factor though. ;)

Snoorlax said:

Trump is another puppet like Obama.


Evidence?

Snoorlax said:

The rest of the world does not agree with you and will only grow to hate USA even more.


Well. When you elect presidents like Trump... Of course the world (my country included) will take the USA less seriously.
That's your own fault, but it has been amusing watching him, so free entertainment and all that.

But "hate the USA" is strong language, the world is simply turning towards China as an example instead of the USA.

Snoorlax said:

It's no joke. Trump is a terrorist supporting puppet of Israel and Saudi Arabia who are out to destroy secular Islamic countries which in no way benefits American citizens only damages interational relations and a possible war.

No.




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Puppyroach said:
Trump is a moron and a racist.

This pretty much in a nutshell 



Puppyroach said:
Aeolus451 said:

I really wish that some people would stop with this "you're a terrible person because you voted for x person".

Yeah, I know it sounds strange to think that a person is a terrible individual if he/she supportd an openly racist, misogynist power hungry man with fascist tendencies. Very strange indeed. 

That's just you projecting what you think over reality. 

VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:
That's your opinion. He only allowed strikes on targets related to chemical weapons and didn't attack any russians. I never voted for him so the US would become a hermit nation. I voted for him on several issues. Most nations consider the usage of chemical weapons to be a red line. The US has to remain a global player.

That goes against you saying how you're for small government, and how the left equals more government while the right equals less government. In order to remain a global player and have a large presence worldwide it requires a huge budget, manpower and bureaucracy in order to maintain. Surely I'd assume someone who is against big government would be opposing this.

I never said that and I think that you misunderstand what the right means when they want smaller government. I want a smaller government in terms of limiting the authority and power of the government over it's people. I want to preserve the liberty of people as much as possible. Most of the right would agree with that and this is what they mean by smaller government.

I didn't mean be a global player as in be a part of international community like the EU. They're off their rockers. I meant it as in playing chess on a international level where we're allies with other friendly countries but not partners on equal grounds. We lead the way and stir the world towards a future we want for the world and one that suits us and our allies best. It would also work out really well for most countries. You can't do that by being a hermit country.  I don't care for these proxy wars or trying to set up puppet-like governments. We also don't have to counter whatever Russia or China does on reflex. 

 

 

 



DaaaBeast said:

You are really the special kind of stupid, arent you?. All this nonsense you flame here is but your wishfull thinking. I'll ask yoy one more time - who will be those brave men who will go and kill Russians in fucking Russia? French or maybe German? Id like to remind you that they all tried allready, and failed hard at that. Full scale war means millions will be dying from both sides, can you morons sustain that? You cant do shit bout Afganistan for a decade...

You should probably ask if Russia can sustain a full scale war ? NATO has a total of 15 aircraft carriers and lot's of naval forces to surround Russia but NATO equipment is also far more modern than Russian equipment as well ... (Why else is Russia scrambling to find as many naval bases as possible ?)

I would be surprised if it took the US and it's allies more than year to turn Russia into rubbles ... 

It's also funny you should point out the US's failure in Afghanistan when Russia (they were far bigger as the Soviet Union) got their asses handed to them earlier AND was much closer to their home turf ... 

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Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

if hitler had been successful in taking over the world and running the economies of those countries that would've been capitalist?

why do people that do not know what capitalism and socialism are keep talking like they do?

Germany during the third Reich was very capitalistic.  Germany's war machine was build by big corporations.  On top of that the Nazi's where very much pro capitalism and anti workers rights since once they gained power all unions where abolished.

http://spartacus-educational.com/GERMANtradeU.htm

"Germany during the third Reich was very capitalistic"

look dude hitler controlled the economy in germany... do you understand what that means?

 

"Germany's war machine was build by big corporations"

that were controlled by the government

 

"On top of that the Nazi's where very much pro capitalism"

how could that be the case when they controlled the means of production in germany?

 

"anti workers rights since once they gained power all unions where abolished."

the fallacy here being of course the assumption that a socialist regime never infringes on the rights of the people... and yet they do constantly



Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. It seems like he was a leftist all along. apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

Well in other words he turned out to be a real politician only doing what a real politician does, no better than the presidents that came before him or the ones that will come after him. I was so worried that the swamp would be actually drained but I can now utter a sigh of relief.

But now if I may be serious for a second: There is a contradiction in what you are saying. If as you say he is really bringing about WW3, his end does not matter anymore as it will soon be the end of everybody (You do realize what actual WW3 means right?) so who cares about who's gonna be president in 2020 since there will be no 2020 on earth to begin with. Also in case of WW3 the Russians are not the good guys either, no one is the good guy when holding a finger on the red button ready to end mankind.



o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Germany during the third Reich was very capitalistic.  Germany's war machine was build by big corporations.  On top of that the Nazi's where very much pro capitalism and anti workers rights since once they gained power all unions where abolished.

http://spartacus-educational.com/GERMANtradeU.htm

"Germany during the third Reich was very capitalistic"

look dude hitler controlled the economy in germany... do you understand what that means?

 

"Germany's war machine was build by big corporations"

that were controlled by the government

 

"On top of that the Nazi's where very much pro capitalism"

how could that be the case when they controlled the means of production in germany?

 

"anti workers rights since once they gained power all unions where abolished."

the fallacy here being of course the assumption that a socialist regime never infringes on the rights of the people... and yet they do constantly

Boy are you clueless about history the NAZI's where fascists not socialists.  Get back at me when you pass history and politics 101. 



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Proud day to be part of our brave GOP Replicant party!

I'm very GLADD Donuld Tramp bombed Syria for supposedly gassing and poisoning its internal enemies before Syria bombed US for poisoning the people of Flynt Michigan, and gassing the natives at Standing Rock.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Puppyroach said:
Trump is a moron and a racist and anyone who votes for him is a terrible person, but there is no WW3 coming. There is something very fishy with this whole situation that I can't put my finger on, but there is definitely no WW3 on the horizon.

Also, it's the agenda of both Republicans and democrats to wage war since the 80's, the left is opposed to any war and would like to dismantle most of the military overseas.

LOL! Saying people are terrible for voting for Trump nonsense. There is a lot of waste, corruption, and bad policies with the democratic party. That puts people in situation where they may have more common ground with Trump. The last election was more about policy, not who is a good person.

We all want shithole countries to have their military dismantled.

That's bull, it was never about policy, since Trump changed his policy positions all the time, even during interviews where he could obviously switch between two opinion within minutes. Clinton also was quite flexible in switching opinions during the election, so it was never about policy. 

Also, it's different if a person would vote for a politician that we don't know whether or not that candidate is a racist, misogynistic bigot or not. But if you know, and still vote for him, yes it makes you a terrible person. And we all know what those terrible people have given the world now in the form of Trump. And it's not a matter of them choosing Clinton instead, since there are more alternatives in the election.