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VGPolyglot said:
DarthVolod said:

Honestly the fastest way to turn off a woman is to act like some kind of Mormon and ask for permission for sex / kissing / holding hand / etc. May as well follow it up with "I'm unemployed and live with my parents" just to really make sure you scare her off. 

In all seriousness though, it is getting to the point where it is like why even bother with women anymore? One day soon we will have sex dolls / robots that are close enough to the real thing, and doctors are already toying with the idea of an artificial womb ... will be no need to interact with women at all really when that technology is perfected. There will be strong vocal resistance to both of these things from women for obvious reasons though...

I envy gay men in many ways. They don't have to deal with this nonsense. 

Maybe because women are more than just things to have sex with?

Perhaps, but they are not helping their case as sane rational members of the species really when it has gotten to the point where we need contracts and consent forms just to have something as simple as sex ...

BTW, I would not trust a sex contract / consent form / Legal fling or whatever. That could be thrown out in 5 sec by any judge that is biased in favor of women (basically all of them). "your honor ... he forced me to sign it..." "Throw the book at him, sexual assault / rape charges!"



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This is an excellent rebuttal. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bAULTwAJU&feature=youtu.be

The encounter described with Ansari belittles actual sexual abuse. Similar in vein to Louis C.K. 



VGPolyglot said:
DarthVolod said:

Honestly the fastest way to turn off a woman is to act like some kind of Mormon and ask for permission for sex / kissing / holding hand / etc. May as well follow it up with "I'm unemployed and live with my parents" just to really make sure you scare her off. 

In all seriousness though, it is getting to the point where it is like why even bother with women anymore? One day soon we will have sex dolls / robots that are close enough to the real thing, and doctors are already toying with the idea of an artificial womb ... will be no need to interact with women at all really when that technology is perfected. There will be strong vocal resistance to both of these things from women for obvious reasons though...

I envy gay men in many ways. They don't have to deal with this nonsense. 

Maybe because women are more than just things to have sex with?

Wanting to have sex doesn't mean you perceive them solely as sexual objects.

Guys wanna have sex, this is reality. I thought women enjoyed sex as well, but maybe not as enjoyable as feeling like a victim?

Quite frankly, why would a woman let herself get undressed and have no interest in sex? I can honestly say I wouldn't let Aziz undress me, let alone attempt penetration. Makes no sense.



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So basically; She pretty much did everything with him and his dingaling, but as soon as he wants to put it in her, she says no, he stops, then she cries her way home and claims sexual harassment?

... Isn't Aziz Ansari basically a feminist with a penis?

This seems to be pretty much what went down, it reads to me like a pretty shit night out for both parties and now it's on the internet beat by beat for every one to read, I would hope he will be consoled for the exposing of a night out with him turning into a global experience if she wanted to actually go down the route of the law about what happened she would have done so, not gone to social media/reporters.



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I think he should sue her and the one who published the story for defamation. I'm sure he's blacklisted over this.



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I see no need to really vilify either party involved. It is largely in the hands of society how to react to something like this, not on the accuser or the accused. As such, we have simply learned a little bit about Ansari's personal life (something not entirely uncommon for celebrities).

What do we do with this information? It is the role of the discussion to figure that part out, not to attack the accuser.



VGPolyglot said:
JWeinCom said:

Because she is an adult with agency.  It is her job to express clearly what she wants and what she does not want.  

So, if you go to punch someone, instead of asking them for permission first it's on the person getting punched to say they don't want to get punched?

Do I have to explain the difference between punching someone and making amorous advances on a date?

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 16 January 2018

I would not call what he did as, "sexual assault." Was he bad a reading cues? Sure, but he never forced himself on her or made her do anything after she said, no. She even texted him the next day and told him she felt uncomfortable. He texted back, he understood and was sorry. When I'm with a women after we've gone out and we came back to one of our places, of course I'm going to try and make a move. If she ever said no, which has happened, then I stopped. This sounds similar to this.



VGPolyglot said:
JWeinCom said:

No, the easiest way to avoid this is for the girl to say no or stop when the guy is doing something she doesn't want to do.  

Why should she have to say no first, shouldn't he ask first?

or else it turns into 20 questions every time... 



Tables are turning. Some men are now coming out and talking about women assaulting them.