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Yeah, during the scene where Rose crashes into Finn to save him I thought the same thing about how did they not get shot at. That was a big crash, and there were tons of AT-AT's and first order people obviously seeing it. And in one of the next scenes it shows that Finn apparently dragged Rose all the way back to the rebel base opening, which was a long distance away.

Apparently none of the tons of AT-AT's that saw them shot at them a single time during that.

And it's like Rian Johnson didn't give a fuck about character continuity at all for Luke Skywalker, in the OT he was willing to die because he sensed a bit of good left in Darth Vader, someone who had killed tons of people. But he feels a bit of darkness in Leia and Han Solo's son so he contemplates killing him immediately in his sleep? That made no sense. 

Also if JJ Abrams did truly have bigger plans for who Rey's parents were and wanted to I guess he could retcon the whole Rey's parents thing in episode 9 to something more and just say that Kylo was lying or something to try to further convince Rey to join him. 

Last edited by FloatingWaffles - on 09 January 2018

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For me the worst part was when Rose and Finn were captured standing right next to Phasma and then that big explosion happens and everyone around them is dead while they are completely unharmed. Phasma is gone only to appear from a completely different section of the hangar as if nothing happened. WTF? The explosion happened right on top of all of them standing a few feet apart and then suddenly Phasma appears with a bunch of Stormtroopers like 300 feet away.



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People who liked the movie (it's their right) have usually no answers for the enormous holes in the plot of this movie. Personnally that's one of the few movies I watched in theater where I was questionning wether the director thought the spectators were idiots. It really felt like it insulted our intelligence.

The biggest holes are obviously the fact that the first Order could have sent several ship in hyperspace to appear in front of the fleeing rebel ship, and could have ended this endless and ridiculous chase right away. The movie would have been over in a few minutes.

Some other ridiculous one is the fact that Snoke is furious against Hux because he think he let the rebels flee. But then Hux tells him he has a tracker to follow them. So Snoke, the supreme leader, wasn't aware of this. But Finn, a former simple stormtrooper, not only know the tracker, but know its exact location inside the first order main ship and know how to neutralize it.

The whole plot with Hold is ridiculous, wanting to die alone and doing nothing on the main ship so the spectator can be just surprised later when a reason magically appear.



Its called forced tokenism (Rose) and bad screen writing (Lukes treatment, Holdos plan, Snokes demise).

And then there is Disney. Making out Phasma, Snoke to be so badass that you just have to buy their latest toys and figures.

Sad thing is Finn had and arc in the last movie. Now he is reduced to mooching around a casino ( which Disney want you to visit) with a pointless character ( which was created to bring the chinese audiance to the cinema, lol at how that turned out).

Make not mistake about it. No thought was put into the script, arc or how it ties with the mythology of Star Wars. Disney just want to sell toy, have you visit Star Wars Land and go to the proposed "Skywalker-less trilogy" which I hope is put on the backburner.

If Jar Jar Abrams has any respect, he will retcon the crap from TLJ and give fans what they want.



I can name more but I'll pace myself.
For starters:
How did Kylo get to the salt planet ahead of Rey? She left him laying down while she escaped. She also has the fastest ship in the Galaxy. When she finally shows up, the battle is over!?!

And how did DJ tell the First Order the plan of the Resistance? When did he ever know the plan? Hell, Poe didn't even know the plan and he was on the goddam ship!!



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But really, you're just angry because your theory didn't pan out and you can't stand seeing a strong female lead. The movie was perfect.




- The map to Luke Skywalker

Did Luke give the map to Lor San Tekka? Or did he discover it? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe someone can chime in. But that's a big difference.

- The treatment of Luke's character

This is the "error" I see most often, but I really don't think it counts. Yes, the conceptualization of Luke in TLJ is different from the conceptualization of Luke in ROTJ. However, 30 years have passed. People change. Seeing Luke grow from a callow teenager to a Jedi knight was great, but did people seriously expect a human being to remain unchanged over the course of three decades? Believe me, this isn't how I saw Luke either, but a character isn't bad or inexplicable just because he's not what you wanted/expected. Some might argue that an unexpected, unconventional take makes the character more interesting.

- Holdo not telling anyone her plan

I interpreted this as Holdo telling the plan to senior leadership, and Poe was excluded.

- Rose saving Finn

I'm not sure how she caught up. So I'll give you that one. Honestly, the bigger problem is that Finn should have died. That would have been a great ending to his arc. I'm not sure what he's supposed to do in the next one.

For Holdo, I dunno. Maybe they needed a human at the helm to respond if anything went wrong. Maybe it's a resistance tradition for captains to go down with their ships -- we see this happen earlier. Maybe everyone was in a tense, life-or-death situation and wasn't thinking straight.

Star Wars has always played fast and loose with space. 

- Rey's parents, and her lack of training

Rey's parentage was the right move, I think. Weren't folks tired of every important person in a galaxy of thousands of planets being either a Skywalker or a Solo?

Lack of training, I will give you. I think you can justify the fight at the end of TFA because Ben was totally unhinged after killing his father and bleeding out from a shot from a weapon that had, earlier in the movie, thrown Stormtroopers back 5 yards.

But she gets even stronger in TLJ. It's just boring. She's boring. I want a hero with a flaw. What is Rey's flaw? Missing her parents? For me, Kylo is by far the more interesting, conflicted character. 

- Why didn't Luke tell anyone that he was a projection/hologram?

Maybe the act of facing down The First Order and surviving a imperial barrage is more inspirational if the onlookers think you're really there? I don't have any problems with this.

- The first mainline Star Wars film without a lightsaber duel

I LOVED this. I appreciate a movie subverting expectations and forging its own path.

- Snoke is so powerful and such an evil mastermind

Snoke is just a crummy villain/character design and I'm glad he's gone  

But seriously, his death proves his overconfidence and Kylo's raw power/ability to hide his true feelings.

- What happened to the Knighst of Ren?

Maybe they'll be in Episode IX, maybe they were out terrorizing another pocket of the galaxy .
 

Listen, I acknowledge that there are problems with TLJ. But they're structural, tonal, and technical problems. A few moments where things are not explained in 100% perfect detail are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I regret that legitimate criticism of the movie is being conflated with inconsequential details.



I hated Rey the most. Mary Sue all the way.



Pretty much what happens when you have different director and writers for a direct sequel that literally takes place where the last film left off. Both are going to have different visions and ideas, and it’s not likely they’ll link together properly. It’s a shame that Abrams didn’t stick around to do the whole trilogy. Even if Episode 7 wasn’t exactly fresh, it was still a good film, and a genuine Star Wars story. Episode 8 just felt plain and boring, like it was more focused on real political issues than it was being Star Wars. I imagine if it would’ve been a lot different, albeit better, under Abrams.



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Surprised you didn't really go into the whole "Lightspeed Kamikaze" thing. Unless there is some explanation for it that I am not aware of, that pretty much breaks the entire universe.